Peter Bernard "SAVE THE FORGOTTEN FACES" Foundation

[peterbernard]

This is a new thread I'm starting so I can post all old-time baseball creations of mine (and works-in-progress) in one spot. This would also be a nice place for readers/users to comment/ask questions/offer constructive criticism. I don't get to the site as often as I used to be able to and I miss alot of what gets written in the forums. Writing it here increases your chance of getting a response from me, although e-mailing is still your best bet.

If you write here, I may comment on what you said so don't write here if you don't want me to comment. If you come in here, wipe your feet first.

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AN EXPLANATION OF MY PHILOSOPHY re: CYBERFACE-MAKING:

I make these faces to use them. I actually install them in my machine and play games with them to relax after a hard day in the sweatiest City in the world. I am sharing them with you for free so you can play with them too if you'd like.

Now, my PERSONAL philosophy is that I'd rather use a face that came out cartoony or has imperfections in it than to use a generic face, especially if that player has some sort of meaning to me. That's why I'd rather use my Roger Maris or Joe Jackson faces than generic faces, at least for now. You might not agree with all my choices, and so I include instructions on how to install only the faces you like. In the new pack, I'm trying to put together a colorful pdf which will show each face along with information about the face and the player it is based on. I hope this will make it easier for people to decide which faces they want to use or not use. In my opinion, some of my faces work really well to represent the old-timer in question, others serve as sort of a place-holder till a better solution comes along. I encourage anyone reading this to try their hand at it and add to the collection.

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I printed this one already on another thread but I'd like to start over here with it.

Now is a good time for constructive criticism of this one, although it's a major improvement over my last Sparky face and I'm basically ready to include him as is. Sparky was one of my favorite players and I named my dog after him when I was a kid! He could go on both a Red Sox and a Yankees all-time team. Sparky's the lefty closer Graig Nettles once described as having gone "from Cy Young to sayonara" because Steinbrenner got bored with him right after he won the Cy Young.

[peterbernard]

I'm looking for anything I might have written online about the Pete Rose face I was working on. I could have sworn I remembered writing about how I used the bangs of one of the Beatles for it in some thread here. I can't seem to find it using the search tool. Anyone know which thread I'm half-remembering? I'd like to know which face mesh I was using for Rose so I can recreate him.

UPDATE: I found the thread but it was useless.

[peterbernard]

I'm still searching to try to find whatever might not have been lost in the computer crash, and I found this attached to an e-mail, with the face in the attachment:

I put it into the game and it's alot better than the last Tony Oliva face.

I decided to upload it to the site here. I'm not thinking too many people will download it outside of Minnesota, but it's good work and I better upload it before I lose it again.

Around the same time I did this I did a revised Willie Mays face, I'm still looking for that one, but I'll upload it if I find it.

UPDATE: Not looking good for Rose or Mays face recovery. I have a couple of days off (so far) right now so I'm going to see how much "catch up" I can do in that time.

[peterbernard]

It's so funny, I do all this work and then Jogar will call Bbfans' practice faces the greatest face in history. AlexTony called a really frightening DiMaggio practice face 'the best so far,' when even my worst was better than that. If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls???

"OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here but I have a few more things to do before I go and I'm going to take my time about it.

I want them to hate me so much that they refuse to use my faces and download some sick cartoon garbage instead and tell themselves over and over, "at least I didn't let Peter Bernard win!!!"

Hee hee hee

Pearls before swine (grunt grunt)

[peterbernard]

I mean, when you over-praise someone, it's like saying they're incapable of actually doing the work. Baseballfans has the same potential to make faces as me or any of the better people here. But bbfans doesn't need to be coddled, they have genuine talent. Without coddling, bbfans can be producing genuine genius work here in a few weeks or a month, that's all I'm saying. But writing that the practice ones are better than anything will stifle the creative growth. Not to mention it's iunsulting to bbfans and everyone else, IMO. You shouldn't call things the greatest too easily, because then it stops meaning anything and there's nothing to strive toward.

Whatever, pearls before swine again. More pearls:

The left side is the redder face currently in release. The right side is a little more natural-looking I think, at least in game play.

I'll upload it tomorrow, like anyone cared. I want to see it in action one more time to make sure it's not too green like Tony Oliva used to be.

EDIT: I just had a really funny idea. Starting with the next face, I'm going to bill every single face I do from now on, "The Greatest Old-Time Baseball Cyberface Ever Created!" Just every single one without leaving any out.

[baseballfans]

peterbernard your work are great, I love your work. Is just a few that expected too much. Plus U released so many and most of them was rushed due to TC2 deadline that the faces didn't get its just due.

[fuzzone]

holy crap, is this another thread of peter moaning and crying?

[fuzzone]

It's so funny, I do all this work and then Jogar will call Bbfans' practice faces the greatest face in history. AlexTony called a really frightening DiMaggio practice face 'the best so far,' when even my worst was better than that. If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls???

"OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here but I have a few more things to do before I go and I'm going to take my time about it.

I want them to hate me so much that they refuse to use my faces and download some sick cartoon garbage instead and tell themselves over and over, "at least I didn't let Peter Bernard win!!!"

Hee hee hee

Pearls before swine (grunt grunt)

lol this dude is f'ing crazy man.looooll

[Yankee4Life]

It's so funny, I do all this work and then Jogar will call Bbfans' practice faces the greatest face in history. AlexTony called a really frightening DiMaggio practice face 'the best so far,' when even my worst was better than that. If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls???

"OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here but I have a few more things to do before I go and I'm going to take my time about it.

I want them to hate me so much that they refuse to use my faces and download some sick cartoon garbage instead and tell themselves over and over, "at least I didn't let Peter Bernard win!!!"

Hee hee hee

Pearls before swine (grunt grunt)

Ok Peter, let me give you my opinion on your work. Just looking at these few cyberfaces in this thread of Sparky Lyle, Pete Rose and Tony Oliva, it is obvious you know what you are doing . From what I understand of creating cyberfaces, it is a long and tedious task to create this detail that is the ballplayer's face. This is art, and I salute you for it.

However, I wish you would let your work speak for itself. When you go around putting down the work of someone else that is attempting to make his own cyberfaces, it does not show you in a positive light at all. All people will get out of this is that you are complaining and putting someone else down. There's a saying that goes "when your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt".

[peterbernard]

Ok Peter, let me give you my opinion on your work. Just looking at these few cyberfaces in this thread of Sparky Lyle, Pete Rose and Tony Oliva, it is obvious you know what you are doing . From what I understand of creating cyberfaces, it is a long and tedious task to create this detail that is the ballplayer's face. This is art, and I salute you for it.

However, I wish you would let your work speak for itself. When you go around putting down the work of someone else that is attempting to make his own cyberfaces, it does not show you in a positive light at all. All people will get out of this is that you are complaining and putting someone else down. There's a saying that goes "when your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt".

First, thanks for your nice words, I appreciate them. Second, I didn't put anybody's work down. I said it was weird to praise practice faces as the greatest of all time, and that it served no good purpose. Baseballfans, the person whose work I was talking about, is an online friend of mine and I'm fiddling with their Ted Williams face now, I like what they're doing. It's just that even Baseballfans said they were practice faces, and they were not finished. I recently got put through garbage over one face that, while not my best, are still better than ones anyone else has done for that player. Someone else comes along and is called the best for a practice face. Anyone looking in not aware of the politics would think only crazy people like Fuzzygirl write here and nobody with any sense or eyeballs in their head.

I'll try to get the new Willie Mays up later today, but I'm suddenly caught up in a new exciting video project. More soon with luck.

[peterbernard]

peterbernard your work are great, I love your work. Is just a few that expected too much. Plus U released so many and most of them was rushed due to TC2 deadline that the faces didn't get its just due.

Thanks, Baseballfans. I agree, and I also like the new faces you're working on. You should make some of the 1/2 faces into full faces if you can, but it's HARD, I'm trying to do your ted Williams as a full face now (as you know).

[peterbernard]

Pearls before swine (grunt grunt)

lol this dude is f'ing crazy man.looooll

[peterbernard]

Y4Life: I was not commenting on the work, I was commenting on the commentors. There's no hypocrisy in the work, only the commentary of some people with agendas.

[UncleMo]

No offense, but not only did you put someone's work down, you put the people down down as well. I think you should consider apologizing and forgiving those that you feel are wronging you/have wronged you. And others should stop getting on your case and forgive you...

You wrote:

"my worst was better than that."-putting work down.

You also wrote " If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls??? "-Put the people down

You continued to write "OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here"-Put others down by calling them amateurs.

Just examples that you did not catch.

[peterbernard]

Look, I just want to post in this thread. I just want to post my pictures and my faces. I won't write in anyone else's thread or comment on anyone else's thread. If you write here, I may comment on what you said so don't write here if you don't want me to comment. If you come in here, wipe your feet first.

[UncleMo]

I humbly said what I said.

[peterbernard]

No offense, but not only did you put someone's work down, you put the people down down as well. I think you should consider apologizing and forgiving those that you feel are wronging you/have wronged you. And others should stop getting on your case and forgive you...

You wrote:

"my worst was better than that."-putting work down.

You also wrote " If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls??? "-Put the people down

You continued to write "OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here"-Put others down by calling them amateurs.

Just examples that you did not catch.

My worst was better than a version of DiMaggio that Baseballfans said was not a good one. I can produce pix of a number of my DiMaggio faces for you to compare it to. This is not putting someone down, it's having eyes in my head. You are acting like I took an official released cyberface and then insulted it. I never insulted it, I said THE COMMENTARY was absurd. I stand by that comment.

As fdor the other things you're listing, those also are comments ABOUT THE COMMENTARY. I disagree with what was being written because it is patently absurd. If you would like me to compare faces side by side so you can see my point, I could. But it's not fair to compare faces like that when I had more experience than the person being compared to.

WHAT IS SAID WAS:

The COMMENTORS are INSULTING Baseballfans by implying Baseballfans can't ACTUALLY make good faces.

That is WRONG.

I would not ever insult Baseballfans, who is someone I like and someone who has talent.

I have a right to disagree with people, Uncle Mo.

You're disagreeing with me here, but are you insulting me? I don't think so. There's a difference.

i don't care what crazy stuff people want to write because they're seeking status in their little cliques. Go be as hypocritical and disingenuous as you'd like. I'm not even going to read other threads any longer.

[peterbernard]

I humbly said what I said.

I read what you wrote after I wrote the other thing I wrotre. Or something.

[UncleMo]

I have an honest qeustion I'd like you to answer without getting even more angry and then I'll shut up. Why do you and the guys you continually fight with not remember this *It is just a game. These are just pictures. These are just electronic files. There is no need not to get along.. This is JUST a game.*

Honest question PB.-Mo.

[jogar84]

It's so funny, I do all this work and then Jogar will call Bbfans' practice faces the greatest face in history. AlexTony called a really frightening DiMaggio practice face 'the best so far,' when even my worst was better than that. If I put out any of my DiMaggio faces, can you IMAGINE the whining from the little girls???

"OH PETER! THE EARS ARE TOO BIG! OH PETER! IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON! OH PETER! WHY IS IT NOT PHOTOREALISTIC LIKE YOUR WILLIE MAYS THAT WE UNDERVALUE YET COMPARE ALL YOUR OTHER FACES TO?" etc.etc.

But from someone else, it's genius. Talk about a double standard. I know they want me to leave so it can go back to being amateur hour here but I have a few more things to do before I go and I'm going to take my time about it.

I want them to hate me so much that they refuse to use my faces and download some sick cartoon garbage instead and tell themselves over and over, "at least I didn't let Peter Bernard win!!!"

Hee hee hee

Pearls before swine (grunt grunt)

Please dont take my comment on the Hank Aaron face the wrong way. the bottomline is it deserved some praise, but you shouldnt think your work is being diminished in any way.

[peterbernard]

ONCE AND FOR ALL:

I NEVER insulted Baseballfans ' work.

I can honestly dscuss anyone else's work here, I am not afraid to say what my opinion is.

Baseballfans is one of the more promising face makers.

For that reason, Baseballfans shouldn't be treated all weird IN MY OPINION. I've had long internet conversations with Bbfans, I've played online with BBfans. This is a person with a good head on their shoulders who has the potential for great things. Not only would I not insult BBfans, I would be upset at anyone else who did. I felt the over-praise was disguised insulting. If I was wrong, I apologize. There's no way to know, however, because you can't look into a man's soul and read his intentions.

I'm only interested in discussing stuff related to old-time baseball cyberfaces or else sci fi cyberfaces here. I'm just going to ignore hecklers. People wanting to discuss other issues can e-mail me privately or IM me.

OKAY?

Enough.

[UncleMo]

Ah sucks, jogar, Pryor is the best avatar you've had.

[peterbernard]

Please dont take my comment on the Hank Aaron face the wrong way. the bottomline is it deserved some praise, but you shouldnt think your work is being diminished in any way.

THANK YOU Jogar. I'm really glad you wrote that. I'm not kidding. I am a fan of your cyberfaces and figured I was going to have to fight with you now too. I'm sorry if anything I wrote seemed disrespectful toward you, that was not my intention.

Every opinion I express becomes this big thing that I don't mean it to be. I feel like the fat old version of Gary Sheffield.

[peterbernard]

I have an honest qeustion I'd like you to answer without getting even more angry and then I'll shut up. Why do you and the guys you continually fight with not remember this *It is just a game. These are just pictures. These are just electronic files. There is no need not to get along.. This is JUST a game.*

Honest question PB.-Mo.

Because male hominids are turf-centric.

Watch a PBS nature show about chimpanzees. Imagine me as the rogue male. Then it'll all start making sense.

[jscand]

Peterbernard, I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate the work you have done and that you share it with others. Perfect or not, your cyberfaces are very good, and they certainly make playing the game a lot more fun.