thr33niL Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 That is a load of [naughty word] This site has NEVER failed to met a monthly goal it normally goes WAY over. And that does not include all the damn ads on the site If you are paying $ to access the downloads you are paying for the mods, period He will make money hand over fist until EA or MLB shuts down the site. But you will never know how much $$$ because the subscriptions are not listed in the Donations block This is the beginning of the end for this site Since this is now a Pay site how much to the people that make the actual mods get? Exactly. Did anyone notice also that modders will have to be "contributers" as well to even upload or update a mod? So, in essence, I would have to pay to add a mod to this site. That REALLY rubs me the wrong way simply for the principle alone. I mean, five bucks is nothing but just act of requiring it for site use is flat wrong. Like Kraw said, this site pulls down loads of money in donations alone. Look at the August numbers.. MVPmods has already surpassed its goal by $100 dollars and its only the 14th. I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the modders hard and selfless work to make this game better. Some of you hardcore guys have put in countless hours of work in which you were never paid a cent. Seems now this site is here to make money off that hard work... and I won't be a part of it. I know I have been only a mid-level cyberface modder but I myself have put in a lot of my free time into making mods and will not pay to share my stuff or to download others work to which they won't see any of that money. Take care guys.. It was fun and I have a kick *** MVP 06 game to show for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 That is a load of [naughty word] This site has NEVER failed to met a monthly goal it normally goes WAY over. And that does not include all the damn ads on the site If you are paying $ to access the downloads you are paying for the mods, period He will make money hand over fist until EA or MLB shuts down the site. But you will never know how much $$$ because the subscriptions are not listed in the Donations block This is the beginning of the end for this site Since this is now a Pay site how much to the people that make the actual mods get? Are you willing to pay out of your pocket for what it's costing Trues by going over his monthly bandwidth limit? He could have just as easy made this a complete pay site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 That is a load of [naughty word] This site has NEVER failed to met a monthly goal it normally goes WAY over. And that does not include all the damn ads on the site You need to know the facts before you speak pal. While the donations usually do meet the goal, that is for only one of the two servers I have hosting these files. Plus, we always go way over our bandwidth limit which adds up quickly. And "all the damn ads"? First of all, this is none of your damn business what ads I have in place. Believe me, none of this even comes close to paying the expenses let alone for my time. If you are paying $ to access the downloads you are paying for the mods, period Wrong again He will make money hand over fist until EA or MLB shuts down the site. But you will never know how much $$$ because the subscriptions are not listed in the Donations block Yep, it's a HUGE scandal. lol You know what, we'll just go back to the way it was then. I'll gladly refund any subscriptions and donations for that matter and when we reach our limit (not way over like last month) I'll simply disable the downloads. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinger4life Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 If this is not a money issue as kraw points out and has been posted by medric in another thread, then why cant we just run on a post system? It will work the same, you keep a minimum of 100 or so posts and you get access...you can even put a 7 post minimum per week to get even more techinical...i just do not see why we should have to pay for something that is 100% free. Every single modder here can simply take all their downloads down and then we would be paying 5 bucks for an empty download section. I just dont think money is the answer. EDIT NVM the first part of my post about money...if you really are going that far over the bandwidth limit then i agree that something has to be done...will you at least consider a different type of system or an easier way to pay...i can put a five dollar bill in an envelope and mail it easily to you but i cant because theres no one to mail it too. (PS. Im canadian so im actually giving you more then 5 bucks lol like 6 bucks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Exactly. Did anyone notice also that modders will have to be "contributers" as well to even upload or update a mod? So, in essence, I would have to pay to add a mod to this site. That REALLY rubs me the wrong way simply for the principle alone. I mean, five bucks is nothing but just act of requiring it for site use is flat wrong. Like Kraw said, this site pulls down loads of money in donations alone. Look at the August numbers.. MVPmods has already surpassed its goal by $100 dollars and its only the 14th. I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the modders hard and selfless work to make this game better. Some of you hardcore guys have put in countless hours of work in which you were never paid a cent. Seems now this site is here to make money off that hard work... and I won't be a part of it. I know I have been only a mid-level cyberface modder but I myself have put in a lot of my free time into making mods and will not pay to share my stuff or to download others work to which they won't see any of that money. Take care guys.. It was fun and I have a kick *** MVP 06 game to show for it! You Guys are being serious a-holes. I've been on this board for awhile now. Trues has never charged a measly penny from any of us. This board has been up since 04? thats two years of nothing except Donations. He hasn't forced us to pay exessive amounts of money. So now his hand is forced and we have to donate 5 freakin dollars and you guys are all having fits? Its 5 bucks for a effing life time. I just couldn't let all these people jump on Trues for something he was forced to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Wow..... As the saying goes, "Never bite the hand that feeds you". Hope you buy something nice for yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 If this is not a money issue as kraw points out and has been posted by medric in another thread, then why cant we just run on a post system? It will work the same, you keep a minimum of 100 or so posts and you get access...you can even put a 7 post minimum per week to get even more techinical...i just do not see why we should have to pay for something that is 100% free. Every single modder here can simply take all their downloads down and then we would be paying 5 bucks for an empty download section. I just dont think money is the answer. 7 posts a week? Are you kidding me? Do you think we would be as good as we are now with members who are only allowed 7 posts a week? 1 post a day in a discussion about a mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the modders hard and selfless work to make this game better. Some of you hardcore guys have put in countless hours of work in which you were never paid a cent. Seems now this site is here to make money off that hard work... and I won't be a part of it. I know I have been only a mid-level cyberface modder but I myself have put in a lot of my free time into making mods and will not pay to share my stuff or to download others work to which they won't see any of that money. Take care guys.. It was fun and I have a kick *** MVP 06 game to show for it! th33niL, I think it is just an oversight that you haven't been added to the contributors group, your faces are kick-***, especially King Felix I suggest PMing an admin and ask to be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Is there a place where I can see this list? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinger4life Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 7 posts a week? Are you kidding me? Do you think we would be as good as we are now with members who are only allowed 7 posts a week? 1 post a day in a discussion about a mod? Dude read my post again and i said 7 post MINIMUM per week, it will work in getting rid of all the pre-named "noobs" who just come to leech and not post. Why on earth would anyone limit to 7 post maximum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pip07 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 If bandwith is a problem why not just host bigger files on gaming websites such as filefront.com or fileplanet.com??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Dude read my post again and i said 7 post MINIMUM per week, it will work in getting rid of all the pre-named "noobs" who just come to leech and not post. Why on earth would anyone limit to 7 post maximum. Oh ok. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoop27 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Personally I dont mind the 5 buck fee provided the money goes into the site. And I can't think of a better solution especially when you think about when the final 06 mod is out. that will be downloaded probably 5000 times or so multiply that by a 600 meg or so d/l (just a guess) thats a freaking ton of bandwidth. Trues has never given me a reason to doubt his motives so if he says he's screwed and needs to go this route then fine. But it certainly cant hurt to look at other options as fileplanet etc. etc. But I'll be here as long as the site is around. btw you dont need a CC to get a paypal account. as long as you have a bank account you can do paypal. (Thats how I first started using paypal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Let's drop this argument. We have gone back to the old setup. When we go over the band width for the month, the downloads will be disabled. By no means is Trues trying to get rich here. He could have just as easy have told us 30,000+ members to take a hike, and shut this site down. With all the mods here, it's sucking up space. Yes, mirroring the files on another site would help, but nobody's going to jump around to umpteen sites just to download something. This was just an option to try to keep the site up and running. I'm sure when Trues decided on this plan, he knew the response he would get. But at the same time, there wasn't anyone jumping in to offer to help. He had to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 We could just get rid of the 04 mods, which take up a whole bunch of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOctober431 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Trues, me and about 32000 other members have nominated you for the...... The Biggest Douche in the Universe Award. Congrats to your success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thr33niL Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 th33niL, I think it is just an oversight that you haven't been added to the contributors group, your faces are kick-***, especially King Felix I suggest PMing an admin and ask to be added. Thanks for the props Hory.. Much appreciated, especially from a modder like yourself. You Guys are being serious a-holes. I've been on this board for awhile now. Trues has never charged a measly penny from any of us. This board has been up since 04? thats two years of nothing except Donations. He hasn't forced us to pay exessive amounts of money. So now his hand is forced and we have to donate 5 freakin dollars and you guys are all having fits? Its 5 bucks for a effing life time. I just couldn't let all these people jump on Trues for something he was forced to do. I'm a fairly low-key guy and that was simply the most hott-headed post I have ever posted here and I apologize for the tone. But my feeling remains the same. Trues has done us all a great service by keeping this site running, I just personally feel there were other avenues to explore rather than making this a subscription site. So now his hand is forced and we have to donate 5 freakin dollars and you guys are all having fits? It has the potential to be a HUGE money maker. Last I checked, 30,000+ members X 5 freaking dollars = a truck load of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 C.R.E.A.M. Not Wu-educated? Sorry. That's "Cash Rules Everything Around Me". Trues isn't here to get rich. None of us are. If we had a choice, the whole site would be free of ads, you wouldn't have to pay a single cent, penny, yen or franc to access anything. However, there are an incredible amount of server costs for this site. Do any of you have any idea how much bandwidth it takes just to keep this site running for a single day, not including the downloads? Throw in the almost 3000 different modifications to the game and you have more bandwidth than you can shake a keyboard at. Unfortunately, bandwidth costs money. Even with ads and domations, there is a fee for going over the bandwidth limit for the site. Add that onto the monthly standard costs of running the site. Go over that limit again? Add another one onto it, and expect an e-mail from the hosting company regarding their bandwidth concerns. Trues isn't a multi-millionaire. Neither am I, neither is Yankee4Life, neither are any of the staff. As I imagine, neither are any of you guys. However, that money to appease the hosting company has to come from somewhere. Trues kept this site going for far longer than he had to out of his own pocket, and then you have the time and effort he invested in it as well. Not enough? OK, let's go back to his many mods for the High Heat series. Eventually, you have to take stock and think about the situation and whether or not it can continue. It couldn't, so he was forced to add some rather non-intrusive ads and a donations system to the site. Now the site has become even more popular with thousands of new members, as well as the many phases of Total Classics and the MVP '06 mod. Each download of he MVP '06 mod is, what, 500MB? That 500MB costs the site. 10 people download that file, you have 5000MB. That's, for posting's sake, 5 GB. The fact that some of you are even questioning the motives to put this syetm in place is, quite frankly, pathetic. After everything this site has been through, suddenly the goal is to get rich, scam the users and ditch as soon as the next hosting cycle comes around? Get real. And for those of you who are whining (strong word, yes, but that's how is seems to me) about not having a credit card in order to donate $5 (although I realise the amount isn't the issue, that's actually under U.S. minimum wage for one hour's work), as has been mentioned previously, you can be allowed access to the downloads section by contributing to the community on a consistant basis. If you help out in the forums, solve problems, and/or make mods yourself that are of a decent nature, you'll be added to the contributors group and have access to the downloads section. So, in other words, you don't even have to subscribe to have access. If you don't currently have access, please feel free to PM or e-mail a member of staff to apply for access if you think you're eligible. If you are, great, you'll be added as soon as possible. If you're not, we'll try to give a couple of hints to give you an idea of what might help to get you access. In short, the table is like this. Have a credit card, and can afford and wish to subscribe $5 to help out a site that's been active since 2003 and went for years without requiring any sort of monetary contributions from anyone other than Trues? Then subscribe to the site for lifetime access to the download area. Don't have a credit card? Help out in the forums, obey the rules of the site and contribute in other ways, and you'll be provided access to the download area. Don't like the new system? Fair enough, I assume you know how to close a window in your browser. You might be missed, you might not. Either way, good luck. We don't want to lose members, but we won't be getting into any slanging matches to appease unhappy users. Sorry if I forgot anything. Actually, nah, I'm not. Deal with it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean12131982 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 you keep a minimum of 100 or so posts and you get access...you can even put a 7 post minimum per week to get even more techinical...i just do not see why we should have to pay for something that is 100% free. Say he goes with this, how long do you think it will take you to go from 16-100 reasonable posts so that you can d/l? I disagree with charging $5 for the downloads, unless a cut of the money goes to every person who has contributed a mod. Yes I know you need the money for the bandwith issues, but if this is so why not raise your donation goals??? I gaurentee you'd get more money that way because those who truely want to help out will. I don't know about anyone else but for me I'd be fine paying the $5. But since it's a fee to access the downloads, and all that's in the downloads are mods the contributor's should get a cut; but they're not so I don't want to pay. They're charging $5 to download the mods, case closed. If it were anything else they wouldn't cut access to the downloads. Also, who's to say that the price won't go up later on?? Yes it's $5 now, but that can go up. Sure right now you'll say no it's only going to be a $5 fee, but I bet a year ago you wouldn't have said anything about charging $5 to access the downloads. Another thing, since you're charging to access the downloads for other peoples mods; did you get every contributors permission to charge a fee and for them to not get a cut? If not that's where the legality issue comes into play that another member mentioned. When you get into charging money for something, you have to seriously look at every possible legal issue that can arise. Just a warning (but I'm not worried and don't think it will happen, but it could) EA Sports can now pursue legal action since you are charging a fee to access modifications to their game. Unless of course you got legal documents from EA giving you permission, and show them each modification to the game. Now that I've said all that and you think I just don't want to pay and I'm making excuses; I said I would pay if it was done in the proper manner. I'm just not in favour of things being done in a way like this. Especially since no one was told (and there's still no headline on the main page) of this happening. I gotta go now, but I'm sure there's going to be some responses to this (agreeable and disagreeable ones) So I'll reply later. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinger4life Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Whoa hold up a second here Mr.October...that was just wrong and uncalled for, no one deserves to be called that and i want you to name all 32,000 people here. Now Trues, since you went back to the old way i still think you should enforce a post minimum to all members...you will notice it will help you bandwidth a lot...I really think it is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkFloyd2003 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Ok... I don't know the whole situation so I'm trying not to judge but even if only 30% of all the members decide to pay $5, that's $50,000. I've never hosted anything before but I'm sure its less than that. Yes, I understand it's coming at a very low cost to me but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinger4life Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 What does it matter how quickly i get to 100 quality posts as long as i make 100 quality posts? WOuld that not better the forums aswell as decrease the bandwidth because you will get rid of all the lazy guys who dont feel like posting is necesary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Trues, me and about 32000 other members have nominated you for the...... The Biggest Douche in the Universe Award. Congrats to your success. Yea, what a douche Trues is, where does he get off setting up a site out of his own pocket and continuing to spend countless man-hours maintaining as well as funding the site for over 2 1/2 years. MrOctober, You are a Grade A *******, and for someone who has only had an account here for a week, (though it is probably a duplicate) you have a lot of nerve. Where's Yankee4Life and his 'Bye Bye' jpg when ya need him :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 You know what the problem is? Most people complaining here are the ones who come out of the woods once every month. If you have contributed to this site enough, why do you feel you need to be fussing over this? From now on, I don't want to see anyone make a thread about how we went over bandwidth if we do. Else I'm going to link them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOctober431 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Bunch of nazis here anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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