NYM Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Iraq is swaying towards Civil War. You can look at this in a negative and a positive way. The Unites States had a Civil War and it ended the confilicts that were once a problem tearing us apart. Maybe the same can happen for Iraq. The negative is that hundreds of thousands will unfortunatly die. The whole country of Iraq will become decimated, and the positive may not even become of this. I'm all for the war in what where trying to do, but now is the time to pull out of Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I agree, you never heard of any racial problems in the US after 1865. Any downside that includes "hundreds of thousands will die" can only be viewed in a negative manner. And us pulling out of Iraq would only exacerbate the difficulties, since then Iran's ayatollahs and mullahs would just step up the aggression on their particular brand of Crazy, creating an even worse ethnic situation in what is a powerdek of a nation. And we somehow re-elected the clown who caused this war. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwinginSoriano Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I agree, you never heard of any racial problems in the US after 1865. Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegz Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 And we somehow re-elected the clown who caused this war. Awesome. Terrorists began war long before Bush was even born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Terrorists began war long before Bush was even born.what are you talking about We invaded a sovereign nation for no other reason than a regime change. (is was not for WMDs, if he actually read the intel) now we have to do a little nation building I beleve that is 3 things Shrub said he was against in 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Exactly Kraw. I am Canadian but supported Bush when they bombed Afghanistan, because the Taliban was hiding Bin Laden and Al Quedia.(sp?) Bush invaded Iraq for a regime change and oil. Iraq is/was never a direct threat to the U.S.A. I am not saying that Iraqi people are not better off without Saddam, because I am sure they are,but it is a mess over there, and that is Bush's, Cheney's, Rumsfield's, Rice's...etc...faults. Not the military. I respect every man and woman who are willing to lay their life down for their country, or helping the people of another country. Unfortunatley, this war...and really, should it be called that now? It is more of a mess. There is no war to speak of in Iraq. There is however civil unrest, and two warring factions, which will lead to a civil war. This "Civil War" is somethig that the americans cannot win... The war was over the day they toppled the Iraqi army. Now Iraq is in a quagmire...it is a mess that will take years to recover from, if ever...When Bush says he is a wartime president, it is to sugar coat the situation. They have dismantled a government of what was a sovergien country, and now the country is in pieces...and like Humpty Dumpty, all the king's horses and all the king's men, couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Terrorists began war long before Bush was even born. Terrorists have been around the Middle East for thousands of years. If you think about it a famine and a pharoah started this war. Way before Jesus Christ was even around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Yeah, but Korea and Vietnam also had civil wars too, look what it has caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Then again, we could just go back to killing all political dissedents and burying them in mass, unmarked graves. Was pretty successful for Saddam. The United States has a long history of nation building (Japan, Phillipines, etc...). In this case, however, the United States was hampered by the constant PR labeling of an 'imperialistic' army. The situation is very winnable, it just will look bad doing it. It would require a full scale US military warfare against the insurgents that will result in an even greater majority in Iraq. The US Civil War was an entirely different situation. It was over money, with social and civic reasons secondary. This is a theological battle inside Iraq. If you want a US comparision to this situation, look at the race riots of that past century. Things many times looked as if it would all boil over, only to be held down by force. It's going to take that, and political concessions to bring this current upswing to an end. Otherwise, Iraqi's better prepare for Iranian rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Russia is going to come in and help us out. You watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedman Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Russia is going to come in and help us out. You watch. Excuse me, but what reason does Russia have to come help us out? If you ask me, all this **** was caused by Bush and his stupid plan to invade Iraq. He went in there for no other reasons but for a regime change, oil, and for revenge to what happened to his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Revenge for what? His father basically won the Gulf War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 The United States has a long history of nation building (Japan, Phillipines, etc...). In this case, however, the United States was hampered by the constant PR labeling of an 'imperialistic' army. The phillipines? You're kidding, right? That was a total freaking mess. What about all the nations we installed dictators in? The situation is very winnable, it just will look bad doing it. It would require a full scale US military warfare against the insurgents that will result in an even greater majority in Iraq. Right, and since this is impossible because Bush didn't have any clue when planning the invasion, we're stuck there forever. Normal Iraqi citizens probably don't like getting blown up crossing the street, and while having Saddam around wasn't pleasant, at least if you stuck to yourself you wouldn't get randomly murdered. Well, at least to the same extent. If you want a US comparision to this situation, look at the race riots of that past century. Things many times looked as if it would all boil over, only to be held down by force. It's going to take that, and political concessions to bring this current upswing to an end. Otherwise, Iraqi's better prepare for Iranian rule. The race riots didn't involve 30-60-100 people killed each and every day for 2 years. This is unwinnable, because our leaders are idiots and we're already stretched too thin with Afghanistan and our other international obligations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedman Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Revenge for what? His father basically won the Gulf War. In 1993, Iraqis tried to assassinate George H.W. Bush by a car bomb when he visited Kuwait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 If I join the Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force, it will not be for the heroism, the glory, or for Bush (or the Presdent of that time). It will be for the pride of being an American. I will join for the safety and protection of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 If I join the Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force, it will not be for the heroism, the glory, or for Bush (or the Presdent of that time). It will be for the pride of being an American. I will join for the safety and protection of the United States. There's nothing wrong with joining for that reason. When I was in, it was peace time and I never had to worry about going to the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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