NickD Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I've searched through these boards and think I've come up with all the possible fixes for the ball chopiness that you guys have talked about in the past. However I've gotten no relief. I've tried: updating Catalyst drivers (ATI) from .3 to .6 (newest) 60 mhz Monitor refresh 2x Anti-Alias through 6x Same with Anisotropic 2x-6x Vsync on in-game All kinds of different resolutions (tried w/ & w/o matching my monitors rez) Jeez, anything I left out? EA Sports is unbelievable Anyways I don't want to go off on a tirade against them ... so I won't (Lord knows I've done enough of that after the NHL 2004 release). So what, if anything else, can I do? I have a very high end PC BTW ... Radeon 9700 Pro, 1024mb ddr, AMD2800+ ... only thing that I can think of that I've yet to try is clearing up major space on my HD (It's so GD frustrating to have to do this cause of EA Sports slackin off). My second question is about Datafiles. Basically, how can I tell they are working? I've got Rodkey's 7 installed and I edited the datafile to include his v5 cameras for fielding ... but all the sliders in Gameplay are at 0. Are they supposed to be at 0 with Rodkey's datafile working (I thought there were gameplay changes involved)? ... Any definitive way to check if the datafile is working other than being sure it's in the right directory? (I know it is). ... Oh and does the datafile affect the chopiness of the ball at all? I couldn't tell. Everything is smooth as silk besides the ball. Any help would be appreciated, I've already spent two days trying to improve this game and I just got it 3 days ago (and a bonus question ... Do stadium mods affect the crowd? I.E. make them less fugly?) Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegz Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 fugly..lolz Try to open up some space on your hard drive, i heard on some other posts that the hard drive helps when you open it up to at least 5 GB's If i am wrong on this, someone please correct me :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 There are a couple of other things that may help: RRodkey's version 7 datafile has changed the 'focus' when the computer follows the ball...stock it follows the shadow, and he changed it to follow the ball itself, some have reported less choppiness using this method. Also, Doby12 posted this over at highheat2004.net: If you have an ATI Radeon card turning off one option makes a world of difference. In the video settings click the "Options" tab then make sure "Alternate DVI operational Mode" is NOT checked. AA does make a difference but this helped me dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Thanks fellas, I'm about to try that, and that bit from highheat site excites me! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kio82 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hi....I have the same problem concerning the ball chopiness of the game. My computer is amd 2400, radeon 9600 xt 128 ram, 512 ram...i can't believe that my hardware is not right for this game!!! How is it possible that those of Easports have made such a terrible mistake in developing the game??? I hope Easports soon realeses a patch in order to solve this problem because i, as many others people, have tried every type of solution...from screen resolutions to AA, camera...but the game is always not fluid... It is really sick because when i finish a match i have headache!!!! If someone can advise me and other people in my situation further different solutions, he will be welcome!!! Please help me!!! :banghead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMac Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 if you check the readme file on rodkey's version 3 then there are some slider suggestions there... i follow them and it works well though i have pitch speed at only -20 and user pitcher fatigue at +10... apart from that its the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 Well I've finally got my HD cleared up and clean and defraged and the works ... Tried those new pieces of advice Kccitystar posted and still no relief Only thing I couldn't change was KC's last picture there, the monitor option. I'm going to look for drivers even though I have an old monitor. I have better monitors in the house that I'll swap with this one if I don't get any luck. So only thing left I've yet to try is the Monitor Refresh Rate Override and switching monitors. Wish me luck, and I'll be praying to the video game Gods ... Oh and BTW, I've noticed zero difference from all these changes I've made and tried (atleast 10 promicing 'fixes' I would gander)... :banghead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 Welp, as it turns out I had Refresh Rate Override disabled the whole time That really stinks. I would really love this game without the choppy ball. My system is awesome ... I can't believe EA Sports; it's really unbelievable to me that they left such an obvious bug in the game. But I guess it is EA Sports and by now I should know not expect anything from them ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 Upon further research it would seem that the problem is actually the fact that the FPS are surpasing the monitor refresh rate. That is why it always seems that the more you crank up the stress on the V/C the less the stuttering gets - you're just lowering the FPS by doing this. So the players with systems who don't overpace their monitors see no stuttering, where as people like me, who run a 2800+ AMD with a 9700 Pro Radeon way outpace the 3-4 year old monitor. Atleast I know what's causing it now. I'm going to be testing out new monitors on this box soon ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 ...But I guess it is EA Sports and by now I should know not expect anything from them ... ah, they always try to f*ck the customer over, one way or another, i mean only 5 controllers being supported...yeah ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Upon further research it would seem that the problem is actually the fact that the FPS are surpasing the monitor refresh rate.That is why it always seems that the more you crank up the stress on the V/C the less the stuttering gets - you're just lowering the FPS by doing this. I think that is why EA suggested using a 60Hz refresh rate with Vsync on that way the game is capped at 60FPS...have you tried this? I can't stand 60Hz for regular use, but if it helped the game it might be worth it... Prior to patch 2 there was an actuall software cap on the fps, they removed it in patch 2 in hopes of alleviating some of the jerkiness on higher end systems. There is no doubt that there is something strange in the coding of this game...I've never seen anything like it before....on my system it doesn't really matter what resolution I run the game at, I get the same frame rates which doesn't make sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 Indeed it's very strange. Normally you have a situation where the lower your FPS are the more choppiness thou shall recieve, but here we are trying to sabatoge our high end systems in the hope of not nuking our smooth as butter balls. It's really a wonder ... But there are some aspects of my theory that seem flawed. Wouldn't the case be that raising the monitor refresh rate to say, 85 mhz, be better than lowering it to 60 mhz? I mean after all, I suspect that the closer the FPS of the game is to the Refresh rate of the monitor, the less choppy the ball gets. It's also important to understand that it isn't necessarily the ball at all. Visually though, it would lead us to believe that, but in reality the entire game is choppy and it is only extremely noticible in the ball in infield and on replays (notice how the ball is fine between pitcher and catcher aswell as the outfielders? ... It's most likely the camera and the backround textures in the infield views and replays that cause the stuttering.) But there is persuasive evidence to this theory aside from the apparent flaw with the 60 mhz vs 85 mhz refresh rate. Considering that the more you jack up your video card - the more you jack up the quality of the game - the lower your FPS get and the less choppy the ball gets. This is almost evidence enough to prove the theory but I can't test the monitor half because 85 mhz and 60 mhz look the exact same to me as it relates to the ball. The next two things I will probably try is to underclock my Radeon (unbelievable that I would have to do this) and or bring in a new monitor with a higher refresh rate capability than my current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Interesting points there. The only reason I suggest using Vsync is that it forces the FPS to match the Refresh Rate. Doesn't do anything here as my machine isn't really powerful enough to push out 85FPS anyways (I use 85Hz refresh rate) except in some replays....during gameplay I get between 28 and 50 FPS normally. It is very odd that the game performs better on slower machines...it's almost as if your computer is generating more frames than the game wants to display and is causing a conflict there. I guess if this game was programmed for consoles (which are consitent speeds), then ported over, there could be problems due to the wide range of PC speeds out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Another reason why console games are better than PC despite the PC game's ability to be moddable. Consoles have a single setup, instead of having to deal with millions of different possible setups on PCs. Personally what I did and I see less stutter was downloading DirectX 9.0c and installing it on my PC. From what I heard, despite it being a beta version, it boosts 3D performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I did that as well kccitystar...I don't know if it made much difference but I like to stay on top of things like that. I did all these things at the same time, so it possible that they work together to provide a better experience. I do know that eventhough I have DX9.0c if I turn off the AA it goes back to the old ball stuttering though...in reality my vid card can't use DX9.0c features anyways as it is a DX8 card, but I downloaded the entire WinXP SP2 and I like some of the new features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 I hate that security crap, it prevents me from carrying on all my tasks Are you sure you want to let AIM connect...agh, i just want to stop using everything altogether when i keep seeing dialog boxes asking me if I want to access this that... What video card do you have spitoon? I have a 9800XT and since I found out that Hercules (my card's brand) went out of business, I can only use the 4.1 catalyst drivers since they're the only ones officially used for my type of 9800XT. I can use the ATI catalyst ones but I'm more leaned toward the catalyst versions released by my video card brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 I have a GeForce4 Ti4200 in this old rig, it works pretty well...I know there is better out there, but it'll have to wait until early next year when I build another machine. For now I keep on top of all the tweaks and overclocking I can to keep this thing purring along. I'm able to play most of the new games without too much difficulty; MOHAA, COD, GTA III, Mafia, Splinter Cell, KOTOR etc...played the Far Cry Demo, but haven't picked up the full game yet.... You should blow the doors off this game with a 9800XT... By the way - nice job on the uni's :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 By the way - nice job on the uni's You ain't seen nothin yet... :shock: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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