atrain3868 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Ok, I recently gave up on even trying to mod MVP 05 due to the issues I had and decided not to even bother with this game. Now before anyone asks I have read all the readmes and followed them to a "T". It seems that all the mods I am using, many recommended by the fine users here, are working fine once installed. Now up to recently I had problems with many of the mods but since I have been very careful installing and following directions and things are working much much better with no crashes. As a a result I will chalk the previous issues up to me not being careful. However, now these updated potrait packs/mods are causing me trouble. I tried three different portrait packs, all three highly recommended by the folks here and all three have had constant crashing problems at different times. I am a very busy man with limited time to play these computer games and I am not one of these people who can sit 8 hours a day at home and tinker with these games. I am not neccessarily looking for a resolution to the problems as to be honest I do not have the time to try fixing these issues. I am basically looking for advice/opinions on if updated portraits are really that big of a deal when doing dynasties and other things. I do not buy and install these games to edit or play Sherlock Holmes in resolving issues. As far as I am concerned the developers of the games (In this case EA) are responsible for creating a stable game where we should not have to fix their mistakes. The same to a certain extent goes for the mod creators however they do not receive compensation for their great work and that does put more of it on the users downloading the mods. How does the majority of you feel in regards to having updated portraits versus the constant issues that they seem to cause? I have seen many many many threads on this site and others talk about crashing problems with updated portraits and portrait pack sets and I am beginning to think that sometimes these updated portraits might not be worth the problems they seem to cause. Now this is not meaning to slam or show disrespect to the mod creators as they do great work and they do not receive the credit they deserve for what they do. Frankly they are the ones that keep MVP 05 going and not dying. However, it gets to the point where people who do not have a ton of playing time to begin with really can't get any enjoyment from the game. Why would someone buy a game when they spend all the time they have available to play the gamejust trying to get theing to work without crashing? I think I am almost to the point where I am done with these games. They are just not worth the trouble they seem and it seems like one has to make it a full 40 hour a week job just to enjoy it fully and updated. It is so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I hear ya. I am wondering though if you are referring more to portraits or to cyberfaces when you say you are experiencing problems. Anyway, you're right. If you are enjoying the game without the updates & you find the updates are causing you problems, play the game as is. After all, the bottom line to any game is enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain3868 Posted May 22, 2006 Author Share Posted May 22, 2006 I hear ya. I am wondering though if you are referring more to portraits or to cyberfaces when you say you are experiencing problems. Anyway, you're right. If you are enjoying the game without the updates & you find the updates are causing you problems, play the game as is. After all, the bottom line to any game is enjoying it. I appreciate your reply and I do want to thank you for your mods and work you do to make the games better. I guess I am referring to both. Cyberfaces and portraits both seem to cause issues and it gets overwhelming when you search and see so many problems. You just don't know where to start. I would ask for advice on resolving certain issues but I just don't have the time to monkey with the game. I buy the game to play not pull my hair out. It's just is not worth it to me. I appreciate your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The problem with modding is, you discover a cool idea such as making 2x faces. Then you find that this can cause certain other problems. Also we discovered that models.big files were getting corrupted when certain files were being added. We then also discovered a fix for this. But till the fix was found, people put up with the crashes & the need to redo all the mods. I remember all the hours I spent on multiple reinstallations of cyberfaces & uniforms till the fix was finally found. Then as we started adding more & more files due to updated cyberfaces & uniforms & portraits, we discovered the fact that gfxpak had a bug in it that limited the amount of files it would work with before crashing. Then we discovered an alternate way to do the install without using gfxpak.(these are just some examples of issues that have been discovered & then solved over time) I remember the issue with cyberfaces was that the metal bin & names were things that were missing from the cyberface fsh files when the modding on this game began. Then as time went by it was learned that this was causing crashes & the newer cyberfaces are now being made correctly. None of the modders actually programmed the game, so it is basically learning the games innards on the fly & so mistakes are bound to happen. However as time goes by those mistakes get corrected & so in the end you come out with a much nicer game. But you're right too. As I said, if you don't want to be putting up with the learning process the modders use, then it is probably best to just go with what comes with the game out of the box. It's a tradeoff. & if that tradeoff works for you, then most definitely you should go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernetic Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 To be honest I only install total portraits packs and use the big shmooz premade models.big to avoid this issue. I have had problems in the past with installing cyberfaces and portraits that crash the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 potraits and faces add so much to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhath Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 yup... hory's total portraits are the best there is.. tehy even come with an installer so you CANT screw things up... those are the only portriats i download... same way with big shmooz... i only download his models.big... he does a great job everytime... always works... no crashing issues for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The portraits and cyberfaces are great and add A LOT to the game, but for me the most important thing is updated rosters. It just doesnt feel right without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony3 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The problem with modding is, you discover a cool idea such as making 2x faces. Then you find that this can cause certain other problems. Also we discovered that models.big files were getting corrupted when certain files were being added. We then also discovered a fix for this. But till the fix was found, people put up with the crashes & the need to redo all the mods. I remember all the hours I spent on multiple reinstallations of cyberfaces & uniforms till the fix was finally found. Then as we started adding more & more files due to updated cyberfaces & uniforms & portraits, we discovered the fact that gfxpak had a bug in it that limited the amount of files it would work with before crashing. Then we discovered an alternate way to do the install without using gfxpak.(these are just some examples of issues that have been discovered & then solved over time) I remember the issue with cyberfaces was that the metal bin & names were things that were missing from the cyberface fsh files when the modding on this game began. Then as time went by it was learned that this was causing crashes & the newer cyberfaces are now being made correctly. None of the modders actually programmed the game, so it is basically learning the games innards on the fly & so mistakes are bound to happen. However as time goes by those mistakes get corrected & so in the end you come out with a much nicer game. I like what big shmooz said, that reminds me the problems of BigGUI, so people end up using eazip instead. Hmm, what a history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernetic Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I've never had probs with rosters so I didn't mention them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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