ShesHotSheSteals Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I was looking at the phillies roster and I think the rating are way off for a few players Placido Polanco 's contact needs to be lowered, he is good but not taht good , maybe in the 70-75 range Marlon byrd contact needs to be lowered he was sent down to the minors for batting .210 and he as 90 contact David bell needs to have his contact and power higher. 275 11hr 47 rbi's pretty decent season and he is on pace to have his average season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 If you read his thread, you would notice he did ratings based on scouting reports and 3 year to career stats. Just because a player is having good or bad year this year does not mean his ratings should change. Besides, can't you just change them yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesHotSheSteals Posted July 10, 2004 Author Share Posted July 10, 2004 Um marlon byrd has been in the league two years , played horrible the first half of his rookie year, and got his average up to 300 by the second half and this season he is batting .201 , and grounded into 20 double plays. I'm pretty sure he shouldnt be anywhere near the 90's in contact. Polanco is a pretty good hitter and I cant remeber what his rating are right now , and they might be correct with hsi formula over the last two or three seasons David Bell has averaged (aproximatly) a .275 ba 20hr 80 rbi's . He had a horrible year last year , but his rating are not congruent to other players who've averaged similar numbers. I'm not critisizing the work as its been great . yes , I can change them myself and have. Just trying to help make the rosters as realistic as possible and there is no way marlon byrd should have a contact rating in the high 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Play the games. Don't look at ratings, just play the games, and you'll see they are accurate. Also, you disagreeing with something doesn't make it a "problem with TotalMinors." Choose your words more carefully. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesHotSheSteals Posted July 10, 2004 Author Share Posted July 10, 2004 I am playing the game sorry about the choice of words but I think a .210 unestablished hitter with high 90's rating is a slight problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Well, tell you what: Make your own rosters. Did I fix the problem yet? No? THEN EDIT THE ROSTERS YOUR OWN DAMN SELF. Some people have no appreciation. And just so you know, Byrd is a .277 career hitter (in 2 1/2 years). GForce also has a system that he uses to rate guys, were a combination of ratings (including the hidden Chase/Miss ratings for plate discipline) will equal out correctly. Sim a season with Byrd, and see what he comes out with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I am playing the game sorry about the choice of words but I think a .210 unestablished hitter with high 90's rating is a slight problem So then everyone should be rated on how they're doing this year? That is, quite simply, stupid. You realize he hit .303 last year, right? If you're going to say you thought he would hit .224 (as he is now, not .210, but I'm sure you knew that) before the season started, I say you're full of it. Please feel free to re-rate the entire set yourself. I, and the community, would love to see what you come up with. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesHotSheSteals Posted July 10, 2004 Author Share Posted July 10, 2004 a .277 career average translates into a 99 contact rating for a guy who is unproven. News to me. And in know way am I unfreatfull , everyone one points out flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesHotSheSteals Posted July 10, 2004 Author Share Posted July 10, 2004 just simmed two seasons with the phils I only listed statistics that were pretty unrealistic Marlon byrd Ba .328 and .315 Hr 26 and 18 RBI 95 and 86 Mike lieberthal Ba .340 and .352 Jim Thome Ba .352 and 341 RBI 173 and 168 (borderline, if he wasnt out two weeks of the season) I was pleased with Polanco's and bells stats as far as realistically possible, but polanco should still not have a 100 contact raiting That wasnt all that was unrealistic stats just soem notable ones Again I'm just trying to pint out what I think are flaws. The other thing I didnt take into consideration was the fact that I was associatinng comtact with BA which isnt always the case. True, Polanco and other palyers rarly strike out and always make contact. But the game seams relate contact rating with how a BA is going to be. Which in some cases may make sense esp with ceratain hitters, but for the most not entirly true. When Greg maddox bats he almost always puts teh ball in play, should his contact rating be 100? And Byrd isnt even I guy who always puts the ball in play. He's struck out a lot over his career. Now I understand that the contact rating is ment to increase my chances while playing of hitting the ball. Whether I get hits or not is totally up to me and how good of a hitter I am. I probly put way to much thought into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I have NEVER seen numbers even close to that for Thome or Lieberthal. Before you talk about how someone should or shouldn't have a given rating though and term it a problem, put in the research I have to the game engine, how things like contact/power/chase/miss/take/patience work together...then come and talk to me. If you don't like the ratings, change them. But in my few HUNDRED sims testing these, there have NEVER been numbers like that for Thome or Lieberthal. Again, I say, Byrd hit .300 last year....315 is not a stretch based on that. I again look forward to seeing your roster released. People like you amuse the hell out of me. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 just simmed two seasons with the phils When Greg maddox bats he almost always puts teh ball in play, should his contact rating be 100? And Byrd isnt even I guy who always puts the ball in play. He's struck out a lot over his career. What a nonsensical statement. Maddux career: 341 Ks in 1291 ABs = k% 26.4% Byrd career: 147 in 744 ABs = k% 19.6% I probly put way to much thought into this probably not. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees1979 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 What a nonsensical statement. Maddux career: 341 Ks in 1291 ABs = k% 26.4% Byrd career: 147 in 744 ABs = k% 19.6% probably not. GH this is why most people dont doubt you gforce. personally i'm happy with totalminors obviously there are little things that need to be tweaked that arent your fault like pitch movement which you mention on another thread. as for everything else i couldnt be happier. totalminors really makes the game fun. how cool is it to bring up a pitcher like halsey in the yankees organization just like in real life. so far i have no complaints and if i did have a suggestion it would be to included your portraits.big file with the most up to date portraits in it when you release v4. i have no idea how big of file that would be but i would appreciate it. keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 The updated portrait file, with all of Leverre's released files, is currently 185 MB. I have a feeling it won't be released seperately. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dero Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I like the rosters, and i'm glad you made them, but why are you guys getting so mad at this one guy? I mean seriously no ones perfect, if someone points out something about your roster don't get offended, it's not like he is bashing the roster just pointing something out.... personally I think the control should be raised on minor league pitchers, because in seasons the cpu will call up those heavy stated minors with very poor control, causing that team to have an awful season...that's just my opinion though...does anyone know how i can fix that? (perhaps you have already addressed that issue, the last update i got was the one that fixed the payroll thing, so i'm not sure) all in all it's a good roster and I'm thankful you made it, but that really is a big factor on your roster, the poor control on the heavy statted minor league pitchers... but as far as this thread goes...I really felt the guy who made this thread was trying to give you constructive criticism....you have to understand that when you make something people are going to complain about it too, you aren't always going to get postive comments about it....mvp baseball 2004 is a prime example...it gets negative comments all the time that's just my 2 cents...not that anyone cares..because i know you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I like the rosters, and i'm glad you made them, but why are you guys getting so mad at this one guy? I mean seriously no ones perfect, if someone points out something about your roster don't get offended, it's not like he is bashing the roster just pointing something out.... But when that point is, quite simply, wrong, the person should be told it is, particularly when they come out and call a rating they disagree with a "problem" with the rosters. It's not a "problem" with the roster, it's a rating they don't like. But if they haven't done the research I've done into the game engine, how the ratings work with each other, etc. This person was wrong, simple as that. Frankly, I don't buy their argument on the other players, since in all the seasons I've simmed while testing these I have NEVER seen numbers like that for Lieberthal or Thome, which makes me think the person just made up numbers once their initial point was shot down. The Maddux/Byrd comparison was silly, and I pointed that out. Simple. To play off that I don't take criticism is silly, when I've been releasing updates to fix/change things to make the game better. If I wasn't open to criticism, I would have released one version and that be that. So that argument holds no water whatsoever. all in all it's a good roster and I'm thankful you made it, but that really is a big factor on your roster, the poor control on the heavy statted minor league pitchers... Can't be that big a factor if you're the first one in thousands of users who has mentioned it. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dero Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 maybe they don't care about it, or notice it, but seriouly on some of the dynaties the pitchers they call up (who become their aces) normally have eras in the 6-8, I know i'm not the only one, maybe people just don't care... and I actually seen a post that almost addressed the issue, it was a post where they said the minors stats were higher then their pitching ace... but if you sim a half season and go to trade for one of those rookie pitchers it's doubtful you find one with a reasonable era.... it's hard for a starting pitcher to have a reasonable era if his control is set between 5-20 on most of his pitches ------- I dont know if it's like this on all dynasties, but it is for sure on the braves and giants -- but back to the forum topic if you think about it the guy choosed his words wisely, because obviously it is a problem for him...now rather you care about that being a problem for him that's yours and his business...not mine **EDIT** i found that topic...and I actually replied to it..but I had replied to it before i realised about the low control on minor league pitchers that get called up...either way the topic went ignored.. http://www.mvpmods.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1911 ------ don't get me wrong i thank you for your hard work and it's the best roster out and I realise you have made them as real as possible, but the way the cpu on the game works, has completely screwed with your roster...because it likes to call up all the high players and send down all the low.. but obviously it is your roster...and if i'm the only one who complained... then you obviously don't care...but is there a way i can mass fix all of the control for the minor league pitchers? obviously it would be too time consuming for me to muanally edit each one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 maybe they don't care about it, or notice it, but seriouly on some of the dynaties the pitchers they call up (who become their aces) normally have eras in the 6-8, I know i'm not the only one, maybe people just don't care... and I actually seen a post that almost addressed the issue, it was a post where they said the minors stats were higher then their pitching ace... Which is entirely different than what you're saying, which is that the minors' control is too low. That's the complete opposite of saying the minors are rated better than the existing starters. ------- I dont know if it's like this on all dynasties, but it is for sure on the braves and giants Not in mine. I'm in July, and checked both those teams. No minor leaguers on the big club with huge ERAs. The closest is Foppert, whose ERA is 5+. On the Braves, the highest ERA belongs to Mike Hampton, who is in the mid 5's. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dero Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 well then obviously i'm not using the same roster as you. because I find it hard to believe that the braves didn't call up dan meyer, and some other guy on your braves dynasty, why would they call them up on mine and not yours?, and those 2 pitchers control are very very low impossible for them to have decent era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 well then obviously i'm not using the same roster as you. because I find it hard to believe that the braves didn't call up dan meyer, and some other guy on your braves dynasty, why would they call them up on mine and not yours?, and those 2 pitchers control are very very low impossible for them to have decent era. Well I'm using my set, which is the only one that concerns me. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Twins Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Wow!! all I have to say is wow... I have been using this roster for awhile now.. mainly day to day play in franchise. So I decided to Sim test a couple of season to find my own results... WOW!! :shock: I am blown away by the results...and I will post a few notables... 1. Division Standings By the All Star break the standings literally were only off by 2 or 3 teams in each league... I simmed with the TWINS as my main franchise and the AL central was exactly how it ended up by the break.. with the Twins a couple games ahead of the CHISOX.. woo hoo!! Go Twins!! anyway I was blown away by the accuracy there. At the end of the season it was a close race between the SOX and TWINS but the TWINS edged em out and the playoffs for the AL were as such... YANKEES vs. TWINS, ANGELS vs. REDSOX.. now that is pretty accurate if you ask me... 2. All Star Game This was freaky... I would say about at least half the team was accurate to last nights game rosters... both leagues... and guess who got the MVP??? Soriano.. yup .. I know it freaked me out... I turned and looked to make sure GFORCE was not standing there looking over my shoulder laughing.. lol Soriano hit a solo shot in the first inning too.. user controlled but nonetheless very, very interesting 3. Ratings Ok, now Gforce has been getting an undue amount of hassle over the pitchers getting called up... I mean c'mon people thats an EA Issue anyway... to tweak those players that get called anymore would almost deter from the incredibly accurate statistics and ratings formulas which he has implamented (which I am still very curious about; I would like to know exactly how you did some of that) anyway... I will admit that some of the ratings seemed a little bizarre to me at first glance... then through my experience with MVP edit It all became clear.. DO NOT be fooled by the CONTACT and POWER ratings... that has less to do with how a player hits then things such as spray charts, ground vs. fly vs. linedrive vs. homeruns and such. Imagine it like this... Shannon Stewart for example... now Shannon makes a alot of contact.... thats why his contact is like 100 and 96 ... but does the ball always go into play...? of course not... does he foul off alot of balls? you bet... but the point is that he makes contact.. now there are alot more complex issues to a hitter then just CONTACT and POWER so do not be fooled... Just because a player has alot of power or contact does not mean that they are great hitters... Imagine Andre the Giant with a huge bat... his power would be at a 100 right... well does that mean he is gonna hit a homerun??? not really because he does not have the sweet stroke!! that is what all the other variables are for to more accuratley portray what would happen if he were at the plate... my point once again DO NOT be fooled by the contact and power ratings. nuff said. Trust Gforce... After simming and testing myself for a couple of weeks, I am a true believer. Bravo Gforce. I am exremely greatful for your contribution to this community... now.... if you could just check over Lew Ford one more time... he he ... he.... he... *ahem* oh nevermind I am biased.. lol jk :!: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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