Yanks Dynasty: Get Soriano

[shortstop1124]

U have to take A-Rod better offencive numbers and a great defencive player if not one of the best in the game, plus people to switch from short to third everyday

[shortstop1124]

U have to take A-Rod better offencive numbers and a great defencive player if not one of the best in the game, plus people to switch from short to third everyday

[Guest]

I thought A-rod had 18 E's. But A-rod will turn it around, and hit bout .295, 45 HR and 127RBI. Remeber those numbers.

Yes I do remember those #s, but is he going to reach them this year? I was talkin bout this year the entire time.

[omairee]

ya, just a point... of the $108 million or so left on ARod's contract, $52 or so is covered by the rangers. soooo I'll take the raining AL MVP for $12million a season, who hits for average, who runs the bases, hits for power, and is not a natural 3b. you think it's easy to switch? SS have the ability to move, gather and throw. 3b have to react. yes they have time to make throws, but only because of how quickly the ball gets to them. anybody wants to talk about ARod's terrible fielding but make an excuse for soriano... let me know who has 2 gold gloves, and well, ended vizquel's 9 year run of that award at shortstop. ya, one Alex Rodriguez. so he's moved to a new position and has been pretty damn good for 2 years. and why did he move to 3b? because he wanted to play for the yankees. and of course espn will focus on how "bad" ARod's fielding is considering he plays next to jeter, whom espn will never speak poorly of, ever.

don't make excuses for soriano, he's a great talent, but arod is the better overall player. and if you're getting him for half the contract he signed, well, that's a bargain then. so next year, soriano will, it seems, be paid MORE than the yankees will be giving to ARod.

and one more thing... arod has said that he could win 3 world series and it wouldn't be enough for him. gold gloves, mvps, all-star teams, etc. and yet he wants a world series ring. at least his head is in the right place. you think getting booed both at home AND on the road helps a player's mentality when his own standards are already WAY too high? please. give me ARod. I'd LOVE to see him come to the cubs, and move back to short. win some more gold gloves, mvps, and anchor the cubbie offense for another half decade, at least.

[cruecu]

ya, just a point... of the $108 million or so left on ARod's contract, $52 or so is covered by the rangers. soooo I'll take the raining AL MVP for $12million a season, who hits for average, who runs the bases, hits for power, and is not a natural 3b. you think it's easy to switch? SS have the ability to move, gather and throw. 3b have to react. yes they have time to make throws, but only because of how quickly the ball gets to them. anybody wants to talk about ARod's terrible fielding but make an excuse for soriano... let me know who has 2 gold gloves, and well, ended vizquel's 9 year run of that award at shortstop. ya, one Alex Rodriguez. so he's moved to a new position and has been pretty damn good for 2 years. and why did he move to 3b? because he wanted to play for the yankees. and of course espn will focus on how "bad" ARod's fielding is considering he plays next to jeter, whom espn will never speak poorly of, ever.

don't make excuses for soriano, he's a great talent, but arod is the better overall player. and if you're getting him for half the contract he signed, well, that's a bargain then. so next year, soriano will, it seems, be paid MORE than the yankees will be giving to ARod.

and one more thing... arod has said that he could win 3 world series and it wouldn't be enough for him. gold gloves, mvps, all-star teams, etc. and yet he wants a world series ring. at least his head is in the right place. you think getting booed both at home AND on the road helps a player's mentality when his own standards are already WAY too high? please. give me ARod. I'd LOVE to see him come to the cubs, and move back to short. win some more gold gloves, mvps, and anchor the cubbie offense for another half decade, at least.

great post, man..just a great overall post to end this nonsense

i started the damn thread to tell people how to easily get Soriano on the Yanks "in the game"..all this other stuff should be in the Yankees thread

[Guest]

ya, just a point... of the $108 million or so left on ARod's contract, $52 or so is covered by the rangers. soooo I'll take the raining AL MVP for $12million a season, who hits for average, who runs the bases, hits for power, and is not a natural 3b. you think it's easy to switch? SS have the ability to move, gather and throw. 3b have to react. yes they have time to make throws, but only because of how quickly the ball gets to them. anybody wants to talk about ARod's terrible fielding but make an excuse for soriano... let me know who has 2 gold gloves, and well, ended vizquel's 9 year run of that award at shortstop. ya, one Alex Rodriguez. so he's moved to a new position and has been pretty damn good for 2 years. and why did he move to 3b? because he wanted to play for the yankees. and of course espn will focus on how "bad" ARod's fielding is considering he plays next to jeter, whom espn will never speak poorly of, ever.

don't make excuses for soriano, he's a great talent, but arod is the better overall player. and if you're getting him for half the contract he signed, well, that's a bargain then. so next year, soriano will, it seems, be paid MORE than the yankees will be giving to ARod.

and one more thing... arod has said that he could win 3 world series and it wouldn't be enough for him. gold gloves, mvps, all-star teams, etc. and yet he wants a world series ring. at least his head is in the right place. you think getting booed both at home AND on the road helps a player's mentality when his own standards are already WAY too high? please. give me ARod. I'd LOVE to see him come to the cubs, and move back to short. win some more gold gloves, mvps, and anchor the cubbie offense for another half decade, at least.

You know why he is getting booed? He signed a 252 Million Contract with is 25 mil a year! His production is of someone who doesn't deserve 25 mil. I don't care who pays for him. 25 mil for 22 HR and 70+ RBI is a good deal?

[Guest]

you mean because he had 2 bad games and it was all ove rsportscenter for 4 days straight? i would still choose Arod this year Soriano is just one impatient hitter thats why i dislike him so much just hack and slash for soriano

I'm glad people can have their own opinion.

[cruecu]

You know why he is getting booed? He signed a 252 Million Contract with is 25 mil a year! His production is of someone who doesn't deserve 25 mil. I don't care who pays for him. 25 mil for 22 HR and 70+ RBI is a good deal?

To base a player's 10 year salary on a few months of one "average" year in that contract is crazy. You know better than this

[Guest]

To base a player's 10 year salary on a few months of one "average" year in that contract is crazy. You know better than this

To be honest, I never wanted to argue bout A-Rod. I just said I would take Soriano over A-Rod this season. I didnt know I couldn't have an opinion here.

[omairee]

with 1/3 of the season to go. he's on pace for 35+ HR, 100 RBI, and you're gonna complain? it's not HIS fault that he was offered that contract. everybody whines when a GM doesn't pay his players their worth and lets them walk. well there was one that paid ARod, and so now you yell at ARod for accepting the contract?

and for the record what numbers do you expect a man being paid $25mil/year to put up.

before you answer, this numbers can't be so high that everybody would accuse him of using steroids.

now what?

booed for "too little" production, booed for "too much"?

if NY doesn't want him, i'll glad put him at shortstop for the cubs. i've said it all along and i'll keep saying it.

btw, 252 divided by 10 doesn't equal 25, just wanted you to know.

how come people aren't booing mike hampton? was kevin brown booed every pitch he threw for the yankees? how about any pitcher the rangers ever sign, since they HAVE to overpay for them? why aren't they booed for making more money than they're worth? do cubs fans boo maddux even though he was clearly given a bigger contract than he deserved? cubs fans don't like wood being on the team at the money he's making, but we don't boo him the few times he gets on the mound. the reds didn't boo griffey every single AB he's taken, or everytime the ball's hit near him. does abreu get booed for taking the field? burrell? how about the contracts the orioles give out to people, how come nobody ever talks about how their players are making far too much money, why is it more that the management sucks?

the man gets paid $25 million a year and was voted the best hitter in the AL and the AL is said to be the stronger league. SO, he was voted the best player in baseball basically. i think he earned his goddamn paycheck.

one more thing, guess why ARod won the award over ortiz last year... ya that's right, because ortiz is a DH and arod plays defense.

[cruecu]

To be honest, I never wanted to argue bout A-Rod. I just said I would take Soriano over A-Rod this season. I didnt know I couldn't have an opinion here.

You can have an opinion, and you voiced it. Then I voiced mine. It's all good.

[cruecu]

with 1/3 of the season to go. he's on pace for 35+ HR, 100 RBI, and you're gonna complain? it's not HIS fault that he was offered that contract. everybody whines when a GM doesn't pay his players their worth and lets them walk. well there was one that paid ARod, and so now you yell at ARod for accepting the contract?

and for the record what numbers do you expect a man being paid $25mil/year to put up.

before you answer, this numbers can't be so high that everybody would accuse him of using steroids.

now what?

booed for "too little" production, booed for "too much"?

if NY doesn't want him, i'll glad put him at shortstop for the cubs. i've said it all along and i'll keep saying it.

btw, 252 divided by 10 doesn't equal 25, just wanted you to know.

how come people aren't booing mike hampton? was kevin brown booed every pitch he threw for the yankees? how about any pitcher the rangers ever sign, since they HAVE to overpay for them? why aren't they booed for making more money than they're worth? do cubs fans boo maddux even though he was clearly given a bigger contract than he deserved? cubs fans don't like wood being on the team at the money he's making, but we don't boo him the few times he gets on the mound. the reds didn't boo griffey every single AB he's taken, or everytime the ball's hit near him. does abreu get booed for taking the field? burrell? how about the contracts the orioles give out to people, how come nobody ever talks about how their players are making far too much money, why is it more that the management sucks?

the man gets paid $25 million a year and was voted the best hitter in the AL and the AL is said to be the stronger league. SO, he was voted the best player in baseball basically. i think he earned his [naughty word] paycheck.

one more thing, guess why ARod won the award over ortiz last year... ya that's right, because ortiz is a DH and arod plays defense.

you are welcome in the Yanks thread anytime if you keep bringing sh*t like this. You've got "no-hit" stuff tonight.

[cruecu]

I don't care who pays for him. 25 mil for 22 HR and 70+ RBI is a good deal?

and to answer your question, YES. you are forgetting about the other 9.5 years of pure "Chuck Norris-like awesomeness"

[omairee]

sorry for getting angry at this, as a red sox fans, i like to see any yankee player struggle, but as a baseball fan, i wish people would stop riding his back saying he's not worth what he's being paid. there are not that many players in baseball being paid exactly what they're worth. that is the risk of multi-year contracts. you think the mets were excited to give vaughn a paycheck all that time? teams aren't happy, they move on. the marlins team payroll is much higher than it should be because of old contracts they're still paying. but they don't complain. they move on. instead of getting mad for ARod making money, why not laugh at the rangers since they're paying $50 million toward a man that is helping another team try to win titles.

everybody is allowed to have their own opinion, but i just felt that to attack arod's defense or to say he makes "too much money" was not fair to ignore some very key facts, and i was just venting in an improper manner on it. sorry for making it sound like "you're wrong, now shut up", it was intended to be a "think about this before you talk of him like he's what's wrong with the yankees"

[omairee]

back on topic, i will be looking to make this trade and then will peddle soriano off to try to get myself a new younger OF and trade sheff for something pitching :)

[cruecu]

The Sox will always trade Mo Pena, and I always pick him up to replace Sheff..A little Sox/Yankee teamwork never hurt anybody..and if you're using a Yanks dynasty, you have to pitch a few games with Phillip Hughes..all i can say is WOW..I believe you could put him in the rotation right now "in the game"

[omairee]

cool, thanks for the advice... i've been considering starting a new dynasty with my cubs one hitting some snags (lee was batting .260, and i lost ramirez for the rest of the season... with his 25 HRs and .365 average with gold glove D... it's only june... guess i have to pay him $25mil in the offseason and let him booed the entire next season ) and i didn't wanna touch this dynasty for a few days, until my anger for my best bat missing cooled off.

[Guest]

with 1/3 of the season to go. he's on pace for 35+ HR, 100 RBI, and you're gonna complain? it's not HIS fault that he was offered that contract. everybody whines when a GM doesn't pay his players their worth and lets them walk. well there was one that paid ARod, and so now you yell at ARod for accepting the contract?

and for the record what numbers do you expect a man being paid $25mil/year to put up.

before you answer, this numbers can't be so high that everybody would accuse him of using steroids.

now what?

booed for "too little" production, booed for "too much"?

if NY doesn't want him, i'll glad put him at shortstop for the cubs. i've said it all along and i'll keep saying it.

how come people aren't booing mike hampton? was kevin brown booed every pitch he threw for the yankees? how about any pitcher the rangers ever sign, since they HAVE to overpay for them? why aren't they booed for making more money than they're worth? do cubs fans boo maddux even though he was clearly given a bigger contract than he deserved? cubs fans don't like wood being on the team at the money he's making, but we don't boo him the few times he gets on the mound. the reds didn't boo griffey every single AB he's taken, or everytime the ball's hit near him. does abreu get booed for taking the field? burrell? how about the contracts the orioles give out to people, how come nobody ever talks about how their players are making far too much money, why is it more that the management sucks?

the man gets paid $25 million a year and was voted the best hitter in the AL and the AL is said to be the stronger league. SO, he was voted the best player in baseball basically. i think he earned his [naughty word] paycheck.

one more thing, guess why ARod won the award over ortiz last year... ya that's right, because ortiz is a DH and arod plays defense.

Didn't want to get back into this but oh wells.

btw, 252 divided by 10 doesn't equal 25, just wanted you to know.

I know that Einstein. After you just say 252 divided by 10 isnt 25, then why did you describe him as being paid 25 million a year? I smell Contradiction.

Oh, last time I checked, none of those players you talked about made 25 mil. Hmm, doesnt Ibanez have nearly the same numbers?

[Guest]

sorry for getting angry at this, as a red sox fans, i like to see any yankee player struggle, but as a baseball fan, i wish people would stop riding his back saying he's not worth what he's being paid. there are not that many players in baseball being paid exactly what they're worth. that is the risk of multi-year contracts. you think the mets were excited to give vaughn a paycheck all that time? teams aren't happy, they move on. the marlins team payroll is much higher than it should be because of old contracts they're still paying. but they don't complain. they move on. instead of getting mad for ARod making money, why not laugh at the rangers since they're paying $50 million toward a man that is helping another team try to win titles.

everybody is allowed to have their own opinion, but i just felt that to attack arod's defense or to say he makes "too much money" was not fair to ignore some very key facts, and i was just venting in an improper manner on it. sorry for making it sound like "you're wrong, now shut up", it was intended to be a "think about this before you talk of him like he's what's wrong with the yankees"

Ya, I thought bout it. I thought he isn't worth 25 mil. I never mentioned a single line talking bout he is whats wrong with the Yankees. Please read before you type. Anyways, I'm done. Arguing about A-Rod is like asking which came 1st, the egg of the chicken.

[omairee]

no, it wasn't a contradiction, i just wanted to let you know that he makes MORE than 25 a year, just so you could be a little more adamant about him being overpaid.

kevin brown: 7 year $105 million, to pitch every fifth day and was injured most of the time, and got shelled when he was out there...

i believe mike hampton is making $14 mil? much good he's doing the braves, rockies OR marlins right now.

kerry wood = more than $10 mil plus $3 mil buyout, and he's done for the season after winning 1 game. he missed a bunch of last season too, still got paid.

greg maddux = 8-11 w/4.83 and is old as can be? defnitely worth every penny of that $9 mil he's gonna get.

griffey's spent so much time injured... and his numbers aren't THAT impressive, ARod's are more impressive... yankees are paying him $12mil or so, griffey's gonna make $9mil or so... not to mention griffey took less money to play for the reds, and i think he's gonna be paid by the reds WELL into the future.

is bobby abreu worth ANY of the 5 year $64 mil deal he signed? .280, 8HR, 65RBI?

does an injury prone OF with a .258 average deserve nearly 10 mil? that's why burrell's getting paid.

chan ho park, 5 years $65 million... first season: 9-8 with a 5.75, next season: 1-3 with a 7.58 ERA? ya, he's worth the $13 million over SEVEN STARTS that season. less than 30 innings... last year ARod had 1391 innings played... so let's see:

park $/inn = $433,333

arod $/inn = $18,116

or

if park makes 32 starts and pitches 8 innings in EVERY start (no more, no less)

park's $/inn = 50,781

or $32,665 (roughly) more than one alex rodriguez.

for the record, park threw 562 pitches that season, alez rodriguez had 418 TC on the field, and saw 2794 pitches. so don't say that a pitcher does more in a game than a 3b, because the numbers show that ARod had more chances to effect the outcome of a game.

thanks to espn for stats and stuff, and google for calculating the stuff i had to calculate.

[Guest]

no, it wasn't a contradiction, i just wanted to let you know that he makes MORE than 25 a year, just so you could be a little more adamant about him being overpaid.

kevin brown: 7 year $105 million, to pitch every fifth day and was injured most of the time, and got shelled when he was out there...

i believe mike hampton is making $14 mil? much good he's doing the braves, rockies OR marlins right now.

kerry wood = more than $10 mil plus $3 mil buyout, and he's done for the season after winning 1 game. he missed a bunch of last season too, still got paid.

greg maddux = 8-11 w/4.83 and is old as can be? defnitely worth every penny of that $9 mil he's gonna get.

griffey's spent so much time injured... and his numbers aren't THAT impressive, ARod's are more impressive... yankees are paying him $12mil or so, griffey's gonna make $9mil or so... not to mention griffey took less money to play for the reds, and i think he's gonna be paid by the reds WELL into the future.

is bobby abreu worth ANY of the 5 year $64 mil deal he signed? .280, 8HR, 65RBI?

does an injury prone OF with a .258 average deserve nearly 10 mil? that's why burrell's getting paid.

chan ho park, 5 years $65 million... first season: 9-8 with a 5.75, next season: 1-3 with a 7.58 ERA? ya, he's worth the $13 million over SEVEN STARTS that season. less than 30 innings... last year ARod had 1391 innings played... so let's see:

park $/inn = $433,333

arod $/inn = $18,116

or

if park makes 32 starts and pitches 8 innings in EVERY start (no more, no less)

park's $/inn = 50,781

or $32,665 (roughly) more than one alex rodriguez.

for the record, park threw 562 pitches that season, alez rodriguez had 418 TC on the field, and saw 2794 pitches. so don't say that a pitcher does more in a game than a 3b, because the numbers show that ARod had more chances to effect the outcome of a game.

thanks to espn for stats and stuff, and google for calculating the stuff i had to calculate.

Wha? I never mentioned that a pitcher does more in a game. Where did you get that.

[omairee]

Ya, I thought bout it. I thought he isn't worth 25 mil. I never mentioned a single line talking bout he is whats wrong with the Yankees. Please read before you type. Anyways, I'm done. Arguing about A-Rod is like asking which came 1st, the egg of the chicken.

please read before YOU type. if you would, you'd see that i was apologizing and saying that i meant it to be more of a "think about this before you talk of him like he's what's wrong with the yankees". nowhere do i say that you specificially meant it that way, nor did i single you out. i am making a general point and apology. the part about "he's what's wrong with the yankees" comes from somebody mentioning that they'd rather have soriano and use the other $15 million on a pitcher, or something to that effect.

(personaly agenda) i didn't know that you wanted to stop arguing so bad that you are gonna mince over the wording of my posts. sorry i can't speak perfectly clear english 100% of the time, i'm only human.

[Guest]

Again, don't know where you got me saying you don't have perfect english. :shrug:

[omairee]

Wha? I never mentioned that a pitcher does more in a game. Where did you get that.

this is my last post about this, you can keep picking apart what i say and taking it personally if you want. the statement i made was a preemptive move so that somebody wouldn't say "well, a pitcher has more to do with a game that he pitches." again, i was not attacking you, so PLEASE stop reading my posts as if i'm saying you're wrong. i'm not, i'm just making the point that alex rodriguez is NOT just an average player, and he's doing all he can to be worth what he is being paid, and that just because he's in a bad stretch or isn't putting inhumane numbers, does not mean he's flat out being overpaid. he was given a contract to play for x number of years, and he's out there playing hard everyday he can. therefore he is worth whatever is in his contract.

i refuse to say he is overpaid for one reason, and one reason alone: can you put a specific number on statistics? if so, then why is there any negotiating? why is every player not paid on a yearly basis strictly on their numbers from the previous year? the point is that there is an art to negotiating. if one side can exploit something to gain more for themselves, it will happen. the same thing when it comes to trading. what is the ideal value for soriano? nobody will know. the nationals are asking for mulitple top tier prospects, and somebody will have to pay that if they want him. it's not fair to give up so much for a possible rental, but that's how things work. just like how contracts work. you told me that arod is overpaid, and i tried my hardest to make an argument that more than just arod are "overpaid" in that sense. that's all i was trying to do. my big point was that arod is being treated unfairly. that is my OPINION, and i am bringing facts to back up my opinion, because i believe that is better than to say "he makes more than everybody else, therefore he should put up better numbers than everybody else" (not saying that ANYBODY said that, but it's the general feeling i get from hearing similar things from MANY PEOPLE), and i don't agree with how people think and approach this.

anyway, thanks to cruecu for the tips on trades, would you mind if i PMed you with a few questions on the yankees before starting my dynasty?

to everybody else, gnight, and sorry again for how i've been tonight.

[cruecu]

go ahead and PM me, i've never played with anybody but the Yanks in 2 years of the game..I'm probably missing out, but I just can't do it.