MarkB Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 wait, mark.... arent you the one that says that the terrorists are not normal muslims and islam isnt really about all that terrorist crap? if so, then its not a war on islam... its a war on radical terrorist islamics.... also... quite funny yesterday when you locked that topic with the reply of simply "mercy lock" lol edit: also, china and russia dont really care about iraq... they care about north korea lol Yes, I am one of many who say that, and it's true. However, I'm sure that if Bush and his cohorts had their way, everyone would be forced to follow Christianity, or burn on one of his beloved oil ranches. If it's not a war on Islam, then why is it that so many civilians living in predominantly Muslim countries who are true to their deen and have no connections whatsoever to terrorism are being murdered, raped and tortured day in, day out? Not only terrorists or people with links to terrorism are being targeted in this. If you believe that, you're either ignorant or simply stupid. omairee, Salaam alaikum. I totally agree on the people who do their best not to offend anyone. I have no patience with these people at all. These are the same people who smile in your face, then call you all the names under the sun behind your back. For some, it seems that ignorance truly is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 How about the guy from the Oklahoma City bombing? He was kind of like a terrorist along with the kids that shoot the other kids at the schools. That was kind of like Terroristic type of behavior also. So, I guess Terrorism doesn't really "belong" to one or another religion after all. But, as mentioned before, the country to look out for is really North Korea. North Korea seems to be backed by China and perhaps Russia. Other countries in South America, Southern Asia and Mid East may even join them ... or even some radical groups that don't belong to a country. If that happens, more countries may get drawn into the conflict. But, that area would be more likley be the region to cause a World War than the Mid East. That is why nobody can just go into North Korea and why North Korea needs to be dealt differently than the Mid East. ... However, I'm sure that if Bush and his cohorts had their way, everyone would be forced to follow Christianity ... For some, it seems that ignorance truly is bliss. If Bush had it his way, he would put tracking devices on everyone, closely monitor everyone's actions, not allow anyone to utilize free speech, make this country less secure in the sake of national security, declare war not only on every other country that he can but also on half of his own country, not go into Lousianna at all after Katrina, not rescue any of the Americans in Lebanon, outlaw electric cars and any laws which would cause his wealth to go down - all the while confusing everyone else with his sheepish smurks. Ignorance is true bliss. If one doesn't know anything, one doesn't have to admit when one is wrong, one doesn't have to feel guilty when one's actions does others wrong and one will always have an excuse for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 well, they need to be dealt with period. america's taking a very hands-off policy and telling china to deal with it. china is trying their hardest to deal with it because they are soon to become the economic growth center of the world, and america would be a HUGE market. every time NK screws up, china looks bad, and every time china looks bad, america tells them to fix it. the reason is that america knows that NK isn't afraid to fight back, whereas these Arab nations have had issues for so long, that no matter which side you fight against, you'll have allies. so going into iraq required less american forces than going into NK, and so america was more than happy to engage on that front, while waiting for somebody else to deal with china. also, did it bother anybody else that america had been monitoring the launch pad where NK was gonna do the tests, but did nothing to react until the missiles fell into the ocean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Yes, I am one of many who say that, and it's true. However, I'm sure that if Bush and his cohorts had their way, everyone would be forced to follow Christianity, or burn on one of his beloved oil ranches. If it's not a war on Islam, then why is it that so many civilians living in predominantly Muslim countries who are true to their deen and have no connections whatsoever to terrorism are being murdered, raped and tortured day in, day out? Not only terrorists or people with links to terrorism are being targeted in this. If you believe that, you're either ignorant or simply stupid. omairee, Salaam alaikum. I totally agree on the people who do their best not to offend anyone. I have no patience with these people at all. These are the same people who smile in your face, then call you all the names under the sun behind your back. For some, it seems that ignorance truly is bliss. I wish people here in Alabama understood that Islam is a peaceful religion just like Christianity. I'm sick of getting into political discussions where stupid rednecks go into discussion about how Islam is a crude and oppressive religion that teaches violence and hate towards Christians. It is really appalling how uninformed/misinformed/stupid/arrogant some people are, and how they're ready to accept anything that FOX news feeds them, instead of doing their own damn research and forming their own damn opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Bama - :hail: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 part of the problem is that people do their own research and come across bias sites that give out false information. in fact, i'm come across some islamic sites that have bad information. it's sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 It is really appalling how uninformed/misinformed/stupid/arrogant some people are, and how they're ready to accept anything that FOX news feeds them, instead of doing their own damn research and forming their own damn opinions. Fox News is totally slanted in their viewpoints. They are owned by News Corp, which also owns all of the other Fox affiliates and NY Post. The NY Post never has any bad stories about Bush or any other republicans (or will bury the story on page 50), yet they will have something bad about anyone else that doesn't share their view on the front page. Talk about Brainwashing. lol. All that for 25 cents. Most of the people buy the paper for the low price but little do they know, just as with Fox News, Bush can do no wrong. And if people are not educated, it is easy to be brain washed. Education is important and knowledge is power. Without it, where would we all be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 i think everybody replying in this topic has earned this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 * Enter the Matrix: Ignorance IS Bliss * Ignorance according to wikipedia - see also Stupidity * The More You Know Service Announcment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliesphan18 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Personally I think WWIII is possible, just how soon nobody knows. We all saw how quickly the Israel Lebanon think ignited, although it had be festering for a while. I think all it would take is a spark or some mud flinging between the middle east and eastern Asia. But then there is Europe too. So oh well all we can do is speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applejak Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 If it's not a war on Islam, then why is it that so many civilians living in predominantly Muslim countries who are true to their deen and have no connections whatsoever to terrorism are being murdered, raped and tortured day in, day out? Not only terrorists or people with links to terrorism are being targeted in this. If you believe that, you're either ignorant or simply stupid. Im sure you meant it the other way, but you are right - if you believe that you are ignorant or stupid. The funny thing is that terrorist dont generally wear baseball caps that say "Im a terrorist" on them. So how do you know who is and who isnt being targeted, and what there stance on terrorism is? As much as i hate the term, there is a lot of collaeral damage going on. But as with the Israeli troubles at the moment, if the guys firing rockets, or planning the attrocities try to surround themselves with as many innocent people as possible, what are you supposed to do? Ignore them? Or try and strike against them, knowing that there is a chance that you will cause damage? Its all about tough choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 the choice is simple, you don't put innocent lives at risk IF you care about all innocent people. the chase for terrorist began after 9/11... but how many innocent people have been killed in afghanistan and iraq? how many were killed in the attacks of 9/11? it's just way of thinking that if american lives are saved, then a good deed was done. don't believe me? how many people here know how many deaths have occured due to the quakes and other things in indonesia? (hint, it's FAR more than the deaths on 9/11) and how many have seen america use millions of dollars to help the already poor nation to save more lives? compare how much we spend funding soldiers in iraq (even THAT amount isn't enough) and think about how many innocent lives are lost there and then add that to how many lives are lost in indonesia, how many wounded won't be given the proper medical treatment. i think even some of that money that's funding the war in iraq would go a long way for these people. but they'll never get that money. and it's a pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 For someone either too stupid or too lazy to spell correctly, it's funny that you're calling others ignorant or stupid. How do we know who's being targeted? Let's see. Family connections in other countries, TV news, paper-based news, various worldwide media agencies...that sort of thing. Most of the photos they take have pictures of humans in them, you know. Humans with hearts, brains and spinal cords who bleed the same colour as you probably do. How do we know what their stance on terrorism is? Well, I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have been blown up or seriously injured by incredibly large bombs are all terrorists. I don't think that the women who cradle their dying infant children are more concerned with either U.S. or British forces raiding their homes and finding links to terrorism than they are with the fact that their children are dying in their arms, or that the children themselves are terrorists. If that makes me ignorant or stupid in your eyes, I'm more than happy. As for collateral damage, that's a joke. Collateral damage is when you try to take out a bridge and destroy part of the area around it, not when your army purposefully fires a rocket into a crowded mosque, market or street and ends up killing dozens of civilians who were doing their shopping instead of the terrorist camp half a mile away from where they fired the rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Tell ya what, and this may rub people the wrong way, but if it does, well.... Read your bibles. Then you won't have to worry about following the philosophies of people like Nostradumbass. Everything you need to know is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snash13 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Fox News is totally slanted in their viewpoints. And CNN is not ? As much as people would like to believe it there is no such thing as a neutral news network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applejak Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 For someone either too stupid or too lazy to spell correctly, it's funny that you're calling others ignorant or stupid. So, what, you have the monopoly on calling people ignorant and/or stupid? I think we should leave it at that. You have your views on a 21st century crusade, where Mosques are being deliberately targeted, and i have mine on an unfortunate and arguably un-neccesary war, where people are dying every day. War is bad - people die. it doesnt have to mean some kind of war against Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Bama - :hail: MarkB - :hail: Fox News is totally slanted in their viewpoints. They are owned by News Corp, which also owns all of the other Fox affiliates and NY Post. The NY Post never has any bad stories about Bush or any other republicans (or will bury the story on page 50), yet they will have something bad about anyone else that doesn't share their view on the front page. Talk about Brainwashing. lol. All that for 25 cents. Most of the people buy the paper for the low price but little do they know, just as with Fox News, Bush can do no wrong. And if people are not educated, it is easy to be brain washed. Education is important and knowledge is power. Without it, where would we all be? I agree with you meteamo. What's sad is that even in this day and age, with the internet, and cell phones, and TV, people choose to be misinformed by not taking the initiative themselves to go find out what's really happening, and form their own opinion. What pisses me off almost more than anything is when someone brings up a stupid point and backs it up with a bullshit 'fact' and then when I ask them where they got it from, they say 'Ann Coulter's newest book' or anything super-politically biased. Now I know that its damn near impossible to get a completely unbiased opinion, but come on people her book was called "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)", and she's made statements like: "If we're so cruel to minorities, why do they keep coming here? Why aren't they sneaking across the Mexican border to make their way to the Taliban? " --Ann Coulter First of all, not all Minorities are of the same cut, in fact, if they were, THEY WOULDN'T BE MINORITIES. And better yet, minorities are not all 'terrorists', and finally, why the **** would minorities (from overseas) sneak into Mexico if they're not supposed to come to America like you suggest in the first place? "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. " --Ann Coulter Well while we're at in Ann Coulter, lets punish the whole world for ******* with American and target only civilians. Now I'm aware my comments probably sounded biased and obnoxious, my point is, when people derive their opinions and view of the world from **** like that, ignorance will follow. The funny thing is that terrorist dont generally wear baseball caps that say "Im a terrorist" on them. I checked NewEra's Catalog, they don't make hats like that, its a pity, those hats would make things so much easier. As much as i hate the term, there is a lot of collaeral damage going on. But as with the Israeli troubles at the moment, if the guys firing rockets, or planning the attrocities try to surround themselves with as many innocent people as possible, what are you supposed to do? I haven't been to Lebanon/the Middle East since 1994, but I seriously doubt terrorists are rounding up civilians and saying 'Stand around me, that way we can make Israel look bad when we get hit with a rocket' the choice is simple, you don't put innocent lives at risk IF you care about all innocent people. the chase for terrorist began after 9/11... but how many innocent people have been killed in afghanistan and iraq? how many were killed in the attacks of 9/11? it's just way of thinking that if american lives are saved, then a good deed was done. don't believe me? how many people here know how many deaths have occured due to the quakes and other things in indonesia? (hint, it's FAR more than the deaths on 9/11) and how many have seen america use millions of dollars to help the already poor nation to save more lives? compare how much we spend funding soldiers in iraq (even THAT amount isn't enough) and think about how many innocent lives are lost there and then add that to how many lives are lost in indonesia, how many wounded won't be given the proper medical treatment. i think even some of that money that's funding the war in iraq would go a long way for these people. but they'll never get that money. and it's a pity. It is definately a pity that some of our money isn't put to better use. (Stronger levees in New Orleans woulda been nice too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 " Collateral damage is when you try to take out a bridge and destroy part of the area around it, not when your army purposefully fires a rocket into a crowded mosque, market or street and ends up killing dozens of civilians who were doing their shopping instead of the terrorist camp half a mile away from where they fired the rocket. " Don't forget gas stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 As for collateral damage, that's a joke. Collateral damage is when you try to take out a bridge and destroy part of the area around it, not when your army purposefully fires a rocket into a crowded mosque, market or street and ends up killing dozens of civilians who were doing their shopping instead of the terrorist camp half a mile away from where they fired the rocket. let's not forget the soldiers that break into houses every night and grab the men and drag them off against their will screaming at them in english, even though the, now arrested "terrorist", doesn't understand a word of english. --------- ignorance is an american that goes to europe and can't conform to the cultures there, and wonder why people treat him/her like a lousy american. ignorance is thousands of images of american soldiers suffering that come through, but not the thousands more of the bleeding kids lying in the street with limbs missing. ignorance is the applauding of soldiers who are "fighting for their nation's freedom" while calling all those iraqis who fought against america "terrorist". maybe they were fighting to keep america out of their land because their experiences with americans was limited to rich snobs that come and try to earn the biggest profit before leaving back to their country. ignorance is only caring for one side of the story, and the american government and media only care for their side... for anybody that doubts me, please look in to how pat tillman died. look at what the media reported, and what the uniformed men lied to us about (even at his funeral). and ask yourself if everything you've seen and heard is the truth. if america feels the war is justified, then so be it, but i pray for the souls of all those innocent lives taken around the world due to the ignorance of some. (sorry if i seem very bias here, but it just sickens me to read reports of so much death and then to see that a high percentage of people around me don't have any idea of the events) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 And CNN is not ? As much as people would like to believe it there is no such thing as a neutral news network. I didn't say CNN wasn't. I admit, I was unintentionally biased by not including MSNBC, ABC News, the BBC, CNN, CBC, AP, Reuters, etc... My bad. But I think you're missing the point of what I meant, which is that while it is almost impossible to form an unbiased opinion, or get unbiased news, if people want to be informed (which they should if they have an opinion) they need to do their research and not listen to Bill O'Reilly's/Keith Olbermann's talking points exclusively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhath Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 so markb, since you say that america is intentionally targeting ppl that arent terrorists... please explain to me a motivation behind it because i dont see it... do you think bush likes killing people for kicks and giggles? if you legitimately believe that, you've been totally brainwashed... i understand that innocent people have died... but what about the innocent people that saddam tortured or would have tortured? yea, those mothers with dying infants deserved to live too, just as much as those in the same situation now deserve to. Call me nieve or whatever, but i really believe bush is targeting terrorists with this war. The war for oil deal is freakin ridiculous... most of our oil comes from venezuela and mexico anywyas, and soon enough, science will have an answer to oil anywyas.... war for oil theories are total crap... and i dont think the president is twisted enough to kill people for laughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 let's not forget the soldiers that break into houses every night and grab the men and drag them off against their will screaming at them in english, even though the, now arrested "terrorist", doesn't understand a word of english. --------- ignorance is an american that goes to europe and can't conform to the cultures there, and wonder why people treat him/her like a lousy american. ignorance is thousands of images of american soldiers suffering that come through, but not the thousands more of the bleeding kids lying in the street with limbs missing. ignorance is the applauding of soldiers who are "fighting for their nation's freedom" while calling all those iraqis who fought against america "terrorist". maybe they were fighting to keep america out of their land because their experiences with americans was limited to rich snobs that come and try to earn the biggest profit before leaving back to their country. ignorance is only caring for one side of the story, and the american government and media only care for their side... for anybody that doubts me, please look in to how pat tillman died. look at what the media reported, and what the uniformed men lied to us about (even at his funeral). and ask yourself if everything you've seen and heard is the truth. if america feels the war is justified, then so be it, but i pray for the souls of all those innocent lives taken around the world due to the ignorance of some. (sorry if i seem very bias here, but it just sickens me to read reports of so much death and then to see that a high percentage of people around me don't have any idea of the events) And ignorance is not only an American trait (note that i'm not in any way suggesting you're being ignorant, i'm just saying that while America may seem to be the 'villian of the world' to many people in the world, those people may be suffering from the same degree of ignorance that a large portion of the American public suffers from). And for the soldiers, and what they do, while there are a good handful of 'bad apples' lets all just remember that the soldiers didn't declare war on Iraq, they're merely the pawns that were (usually) stuck in between a rock and a hard place, as in, many are young adults who don't have the means to go to college, but don't want to bag groceries for the rest of their lives. So what do they do? They join the military, hope they don't get deployed, finish their 4 years and then go to college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omairee Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 i apologize for seem like i was attacking americans only. i agree that ignorance can be a factor in any part of the world, but having spent the greatest majority of my life in america, i have witnessed it daily for quite some time, and i happened to be venting in the wrong manner. apologies to anybody i offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 i apologize for seem like i was attacking americans only. i agree that ignorance can be a factor in any part of the world, but having spent the greatest majority of my life in america, i have witnessed it daily for quite some time, and i happened to be venting in the wrong manner. apologies to anybody i offended. I wasn't offended...hell, I said it myself that many Americans are ignorant...but again, its not just Americans, its certain people of every nationality, religion, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhath Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 its alright... here in america, you can disagree and speak your mind without getting killed... that is what freedom is all about... there are many people in many countries who dont have that liberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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