Airline Rules

[Campo09]

I was just watching CNN and I saw a thing on airlines in America about what is allowed and what isnt, they let you dont let you bring contact solution (Saleen)

but they will let you bring in a wrench under 7 inches, hmm, what can do more damage a wrench or saleen solution, This isnt just towards Americans but to all countries, would you throw away your liberties to be safe. Also, does anyone on this site think that we should racialy profile people, this is not saying that all people who are from the mideast or muslim or hindu are terrorists, in fact only about .01 % of middle eastern people are terrorists, they just screw it up for everybody else.

What are your thoughts on this.

[jogar84]

No one is "throwing away" their liberties. People are just going to live with it or buy their own private jets. Terrorist plots are getting more and more intricate in design, and bombs can be chemically manufactured on board inside lavatories using ordinary liquids. And as for racial profiling, the moral dilemma is clear: Would you rather have people have their feelings hurt or would you rather save lives or prevent murderous acts from taking place.

Any right minded person would say that "hurt feelings" is the lesser of two evils.

Political correctness already hurt America once before.

[jhath]

well, i am learning to quit discussing politics on here, so my only comment is... what the heck does this have to do with creative discussions :)

[Hory]

No one is "throwing away" their liberties. People are just going to live with it or buy their own private jets. Terrorist plots are getting more and more intricate in design, and bombs can be chemically manufactured on board inside lavatories using ordinary liquids. And as for racial profiling, the moral dilemma is clear: Would you rather have people have their feelings hurt or would you rather save lives or prevent murderous acts from taking place.

Any right minded person would say that "hurt feelings" is the lesser of two evils.

Political correctness already hurt America once before.

Yes, a threat of liquid explosives that is so real, we are going to make every passenger empty out their containers of potential liquid explosives in a large container in the middle of a crowded airport.

And you're right on about racial profiling, they should round up all the people that look like 'terrorists' and make them wear a star on their jacket, so everyone knows they are potential terrorists. Then if there's another attack they can all be rounded up and put into camps for everyones safety.

Of course the last terrorist attack on US soil prior to 9/11 was by a white 'Christian' male, but I'll ignore that because then that would affect me.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

[jhath]

I'm a Franklin fan and I like most of his quotes, but that one i disagree with. Its quite hypocritical to say that there shouldnt be racial profiling because everyone deserves "liberty" and then turn around and say that quote. First, I don't consider it to be an "essential liberty." Those are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those have been greatly streched in today's society and manipulated into "anything i want to do or believe goes cause its my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness." Life is the right to live, Liberty is the right to make decisions for yourself, and Pursuit of Happiness is really not much different than liberty. But tell me, who gave up more rights: the person who is racial profiled? or the ones who are innocently killed? the ones that were innocently killed gave up ALL rights; they gave up the essential ones. The person that was "racial profiled" (also known as common sense) really didnt give up any rights... Please show me in the Bill of Rights where this is illegal. Hardly an invasion of privacy... all you have to do is look at the person. Theres no comparison between an innocent person dying and someone's "rights" being infringed on. And if one is that idealistic, then they need to remember the REAL ideas this country was founded on.

edit: and if you want to compare mcveigh and the 9-11 bombings, then you are considerably more ignorant than i thought. al qaida is a well funded network of thousands in many nations... mcveigh and his crew were a couple idiots without global finaces or support. That was not terrorism in the same dimension that al qaida is. And mcveigh paid his price.

[Fastflink2009]

I got through with a water bottle, it was pretty funny b/c i forgot to take it out of my backpack and i just got straight through

[Hory]

I'm a Franklin fan and I like most of his quotes, but that one i disagree with. Its quite hypocritical to say that there shouldnt be racial profiling because everyone deserves "liberty" and then turn around and say that quote. First, I don't consider it to be an "essential liberty." Those are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those have been greatly streched in today's society and manipulated into "anything i want to do or believe goes cause its my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness." Life is the right to live, Liberty is the right to make decisions for yourself, and Pursuit of Happiness is really not much different than liberty. But tell me, who gave up more rights: the person who is racial profiled? or the ones who are innocently killed? the ones that were innocently killed gave up ALL rights; they gave up the essential ones. The person that was "racial profiled" (also known as common sense) really didnt give up any rights... Please show me in the Bill of Rights where this is illegal. Hardly an invasion of privacy... all you have to do is look at the person. Theres no comparison between an innocent person dying and someone's "rights" being infringed on. And if one is that idealistic, then they need to remember the REAL ideas this country was founded on.

edit: and if you want to compare mcveigh and the 9-11 bombings, then you are considerably more ignorant than i thought. al qaida is a well funded network of thousands in many nations... mcveigh and his crew were a couple idiots without global finaces or support. That was not terrorism in the same dimension that al qaida is. And mcveigh paid his price.

Firstly, that's not a quote from Benjamin Franklin. though it is commonly attributed to him but it was actually penned by David Hume.

Another relevant quote of his

It is seldom, that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.

Secondly, I would argue that being discriminated against solely on the grounds of your ethnicity is very much an attack on liberty.

Please show me in the Bill of Rights where this is illegal.

Sure.

The first, fourth, fifth, and fourteenth amendents, just about cover it.

Some would argue that the 13th and 6th amendments are also relevant too.

However I personally think the 13th amendment should be altered to explicitly prohibit any form of racial discrimination by the federal government, so as to match the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination that the Bill Clinton signed in 1996.

As for your implication that racial profiling would have prevented the 9/11 attacks, given that most of the hijackers were on 'clean' passports and they were on DOMESTIC FLIGHTS, renders that hypothesis largely useless.

Unless of course by racial profiling you mean 'ban anyone with brown skin from boarding a plane'

Thirdly, I don't know why you are so offended by bringing up McVeigh as to call me an idiot, he killed a lot of people in a terrorist attack, just like the 9/11 hijackers. To the familes of his victims they feel just as much pain and suffering as the families of those killed in the 2001 attacks.

My point being that terrorism and murdering innocent civilians is not the exclusive domain of any particular ethnicity, religion or country.

And if you think it is, then you have the same mindset as those you claim to despise.

[rickel2]

the whole thing is an utter farce so the british government can have their own set of oppresive patriot act laws as we do now. its all fake.

people - like sheep - pouring their personal items into giant bins. what about mixing those chemicals in the waste bins? why is that allowed? couldnt they explode in the waste bins?

peoples' utter stupidity truly amazes me. they would give anything for the government to save them. truth is the government doesnt care about them at all. useless feeders as kissinger once said of the rest of us.

when will people wake up.

i dont think that people really want the responsibility of being self governed. too much reality to bear. but when we allow others to " protect" us, then we are getting what we deserve. and thats what we have. a ruling elite that dupes us into thinking that we matter.

let me tell you: " the love of money is the root of all evil."