DustinTheWin Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 bernie williams is a new york icon, not a mlb icon, i updated berkman and howard to the list from the suggestions, i thought they were fitting, the rest are good for now biggio is no where near an icon either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 bernie williams is a new york icon, not a mlb icon, i updated berkman and howard to the list from the suggestions, i thought they were fitting, the rest are good for now biggio is no where near an icon either... If you look at their overall body of work, then yeah, biggio and bernie are both icons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 this isn't fan favorites, this is MLB icons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 this isn't fan favorites, this is MLB icons Nowhere in that did I say they where fan favorites, they have put together stellar careers and are HOF bound. Just because they may not put up the "stats" now doesn't make them any less of an icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
closetogenius Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 'cuz biggio's certainly not getting into the hall after his 3000 hit, leading 600 doubles, 15 years with the same teammate, and esp. not because Bill James once said he wa btter than Griffey Jr. in Jrs. prime-- of course he's not an icon *rolls eyes* oh well, can't get win 'em all right? anywho, does the list i compiled earlier sound reasonable enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 So wait...future HOF'er Biggio's not an icon, but...Papelbon is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I think the icons should include anyone that is active but a shoe-in for the HOF, and the top 20 current overall players. It shouldnt be divided by team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
closetogenius Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 i gave you guys a list, does it have that "just right"-ness about it? maybe it's missing howard anywho, i agree with fred, esp. cuz in madden icons can switch teams and nwe ones can form. so maybe we add in the "rookies" for 08? does that sound good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 i have my list i am going to do for now, and i will start this project this afternoon, then i will release a portrait pack eventually when it is done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 So wait...future HOF'er Biggio's not an icon, but...Papelbon is? this is my definition of the mlb icon mlb icon- a player that is an established player AND is also a household name... i am not saying biggio is not a great player, i just dont consider him a household name throughout america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 this is my definition of the mlb icon mlb icon- a player that is an established player AND is also a household name... i am not saying biggio is not a great player, i just dont consider him a household name throughout america Oh, somebody whose face is plastered across ESPN every night. OK. I see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Are you going to make the portraits yourself? I'm not sure Hory would apporove of you blatantly ripping off his hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 ok, GUIDLINES: all future HoFamers top 20 players not yet HoF top 3 players in each category (HRs, avg, SB, win, ERA, K) if not already in list optional: trademark players from some ogrinazations (bernie yanks, huff d-rays, tim salmon angels, BIGGIO, the most underrated player in baseball a bit of years ago, etc.) does that sound sufficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 ok, GUIDLINES: all future HoFamers top 20 players not yet HoF top 3 players in each category (HRs, avg, SB, win, ERA, K) if not already in list optional: trademark players from some ogrinazations (bernie yanks, huff d-rays, tim salmon angels, BIGGIO, the most underrated player in baseball a bit of years ago, etc.) does that sound sufficient? no offence but no, i am picking players that are faces of the franchise and are icons...no specific guidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunteroo2 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Why is Prior listed for the Cubs and Zambrano isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav3rek Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is the way I see it: (i'm only choosing people I know off the top of my head, not looking at rosters) Atlanta Andruw Jones Marlins Dontrelle Willis Mets Pedro Martinez Phillies None Nationals Alfonso Soiano Cubs Derek Lee Reds Ken Griffey Junior (but he needs to have the injury icon next to him as well) Adam Dunn Astros Clemens Biggio Oswalt -- maybe Brewers none maybe Ben Sheets, but other than that no Pirates Jason Bay Cardinals Pujols Carpenter DBacks none Rockies none Dodgers Greg Maddux Eric Gagne (see jr's sidenote) Padres Mike Piazza Jake Peavy -- maybe Giants Barry Bonds Rangers Mark Texieria Mariners Ichiro A's Frank Thomas Barry Zito Angels Vladimir Guerro Twins Johan Santana Joe Mauer Torrii Hunter Royals none Tigers Ivan Rodriguez Indians Grady Sizemore -- maybe Travis Hafner White Sox Jim Thome Paul Konerko -- maybe Blue Jays Vernon Wells DRays none Yankees Derek Jeter Alex Rodriguez Randy Johnson Mariano Rivera Red Sox Manny Ramierez David Ortiz Curt Schilling Orioles Miguel Tejada thats a grand total of 40ish. no howard b/c he's only had 1 full season in the bigs no utley b/c he's had a career year, and no one outside philly had heard of him until his hit streak. any questions? I know he already has a list, but this is just a list of who I thought would be a good list. Any obvious one's I'm leavin out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8ball Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is the way I see it: (i'm only choosing people I know off the top of my head, not looking at rosters) Atlanta Andruw Jones Marlins Dontrelle Willis Mets Pedro Martinez Phillies None Nationals Alfonso Soiano Cubs Derek Lee Reds Ken Griffey Junior (but he needs to have the injury icon next to him as well) Adam Dunn Astros Clemens Biggio Oswalt -- maybe Brewers none maybe Ben Sheets, but other than that no Pirates Jason Bay Cardinals Pujols Carpenter DBacks none Rockies none Dodgers Greg Maddux Eric Gagne (see jr's sidenote) Padres Mike Piazza Jake Peavy -- maybe Giants Barry Bonds Rangers Mark Texieria Mariners Ichiro A's Frank Thomas Barry Zito Angels Vladimir Guerro Twins Johan Santana Joe Mauer Torrii Hunter Royals none Tigers Ivan Rodriguez Indians Grady Sizemore -- maybe Travis Hafner White Sox Jim Thome Paul Konerko -- maybe Blue Jays Vernon Wells DRays none Yankees Derek Jeter Alex Rodriguez Randy Johnson Mariano Rivera Red Sox Manny Ramierez David Ortiz Curt Schilling Orioles Miguel Tejada thats a grand total of 40ish. no howard b/c he's only had 1 full season in the bigs no utley b/c he's had a career year, and no one outside philly had heard of him until his hit streak. any questions? I know he already has a list, but this is just a list of who I thought would be a good list. Any obvious one's I'm leavin out? Todd Helton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is the way I see it: Mets Pedro Martinez Reds Ken Griffey Junior Astros Clemens Biggio Cardinals Pujols Dodgers Greg Maddux Eric Gagne Giants Barry Bonds A's Frank Thomas Angels Vladimir Guerro Tigers Ivan Rodriguez White Sox Jim Thome Yankees Derek Jeter Alex Rodriguez Randy Johnson Mariano Rivera Red Sox David Ortiz Curt Schilling I disagree with almost all of your list. lol. WAY too many people that are IN NO WAY an icon - at all. For instance: ADAM DUNN? Maybe the strikeout icon. pffft. The quote I left above are only the players I AGREE'D with from your list. Obviously I'm not saying my list is right and yours is wrong - but I think people still don't get the idea of an icon - not just "this teams couple of decent players." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav3rek Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 i could go with that, i just hadn't heard anything from him recently and had forgotten he was there, but his number have been decent although his power is declining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Are you going to make the portraits yourself? I'm not sure Hory would apporove of you blatantly ripping off his hard work. what are you talking about, i make all my own portraits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 what are you talking about, i make all my own portraits... thats cool. Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbey Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I would say Biggio is a household name for anyone who is considered to be a baseball fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinTheWin Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 I would say Biggio is a household name for anyone who is considered to be a baseball fan it depends where you live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Here is the list I would submit (broken down by team, because that's just how I typed it out): Baltimore None. (Honorable Mention: Miguel Tejada) Boston Curt Schilling (Honorable Mention: Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz) Chicago (White Sox) Jim Thome Cleveland None. Detroit None. (Honorable Mention: Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez) Kansas City None. Los Angeles (Angels) Vladimir Guerrero Minnesota None. (Honorable Mention: Johan Santana, Joe Mauer) New York (Yankees) Randy Johnson Mariano Rivera Alex Rodriguez Derek Jeter Oakland Frank Thomas (Honorable Mention: Eric Chavez) Seattle Ichiro Suzuki Tampa Bay Carl Crawford (Honorable Mention: Rocco Baldelli) Texas None. Toronto None. (Honorable Mention: Roy Halladay, Vernon Wells) ----------- Arizona Luis Gonzalez (Honorable Mention: Tony Clark, Craig Counsell) Atlanta John Smoltz (Honorable Mention: Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones) Chicago (Cubs) None. (Honorable Mention: Derrek Lee) Cincinnati Ken Griffey Jr. Colorado None. (Honorable Mention: Todd Helton) Florida Dontrelle Willis (Honorable Mention: Miguel Cabrera) Houston Roger Clemens Craig Biggio (Honorable Mention: Jeff Bagwell) Los Angeles (Dodgers) Greg Maddux (Honorable Mention: Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jeff Kent, Kenny Lofton) Milwaukee None. New York (Mets) Tom Glavine Julio Franco (Honorable Mention: Pedro Martinez, Steve Trachsel, Carlos Delgado, David Wright, Carlos Beltran) Philadelphia None. (Honorable Mention: Jon Lieber, Jeff Conine, Ryan Howard) Pittsburgh None. (Honorable Mention: Jason Bay) St. Louis Albert Pujols (Honorable Mention: Chris Carpenter, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds) San Diego Trevor Hoffman (Honorable Mention: David Wells, Mike Piazza) San Francisco Barry Bonds (Honorable Mention: Jason Schmidt, Ray Durham, Moises Alou) Washington None. (Honorable Mention: Alfonso Soriano) -------------- ...and that's a total of 22 "icons" in all major league baseball. To me that seems about right. How many "icons" of a sport should there really be??? Oh, and to be clear "Honorable Mention," in my list, means they are kind of "on the bubble" in my mind. This means either I think it's too early in their careers to really decide if they're really going to become a true "icon" or various other things that mean they might be great players, but are they truly iconic? ... sort of like the difference between a phenomenal player that is loved... and a sure-thing hall-of-famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 it depends where you live That response right there makes this whole list nothing but hog-wash. In other words, this is who you think are icons, not actually who are icons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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