krawhitham Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 If Boston is unable to sign a contract are they allowed to bid on the same player next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwentySeven Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 If Boston is unable to sign a contract are they allowed to bid on the same player next year? Assuming the player is posted again, then yes, but Matsuzaka will be a free agent anyways, so he will be fair game for any team to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynNets24 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 wait so if boston doesnt sign him No othe rteam has a chance to bid for him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chwalton213 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 thats right if boston doesnt sign him he wont play in majors this year and boston gets their money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwentySeven Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 thats right if boston doesnt sign him he wont play in majors this year and boston gets their money back. But, in addition, Boston loses a lot of rep in Japan, and it makes them look bad. Matsuzaka is a national hero in Japan. Hear that, Theo? The pressure is on! Less then five days left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 He'll blow it, just like the Red Sox usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timp Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Assuming the player is posted again, then yes, but Matsuzaka will be a free agent anyways, so he will be fair game for any team to sign. If he's a free agent anyways, why would he be posted again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwentySeven Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 If he's a free agent anyways, why would he be posted again? He won't be posted, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Or, Seibu can alternatively have Matsuzaka work with the 2nd highest bidder rather than be returned to Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyMcM93 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I have a feeling they won't get a deal done with him. Sucks to be Theo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timp Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I have a feeling they won't get a deal done with him. Sucks to be Theo. Cross your fingers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmexico Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Or, Seibu can alternatively have Matsuzaka work with the 2nd highest bidder rather than be returned to Japan. Does that mean that the Lions can work with the Mets to get a deal done this year? I'm not quite following, I thought he goes back to Japan no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misigoy Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 My understanding is that if the Sox don't sign him, he goes back to Seibu, and unless they post him next year, he will be playing for them until 2008. Boston gets their money back too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Does that mean that the Lions can work with the Mets to get a deal done this year? I'm not quite following, I thought he goes back to Japan no matter what. The Mets were the second highest bidders? Then yea, the Lions can have him work with the Mets to work out a deal, or come back to play 1 more season as a Lion, and refund all the posting fee's. After that 1 season, he'd become an outright F/A and any and all teams could offer a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 He can't negotiate with any other team but the red sox unless Boston is found to be negotiating in bad faith, an that doesn't appear to be the case. Edit: He CANNOT sign with another team this year, it's Boston or Seibu, barring any catastrophe He CAN be posted next year, and any team can bid on him He CAN become a free agent in 2008 and sign with any team he wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 8M/yr = bad faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmexico Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 8M/yr = bad faith I agree, but it's not necesarily bad faith because they paid 51 mil to negotiate, and then at 8m a year, for 4 years, thats still 83 mil over 4 years, which is about 20 mil a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 And Matsuzaka "only" gets 32M over 4 years. Lilly for gods sake got 8M more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 You couldn't find a court in the world that would find 8 mill a year in bad faith. It may be a little low, but considering that he's not a free agent and that he's never thrown a single pitch in major league ball but you'd be hard pressed to find a single arbiter who'd find it in bad faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 If he's worth 51.1M to talk to, he's worth more than 8M/yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 That's faulty logic, as the 51 million is the price paid for the right to pay under market value as you have exclusive rights to negotiate to the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 No it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Thanks for your wonderful, fact filled retort. He's not a free agent, so teams don't have to bid against other teams, thus lowering the price. It's basic economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdot Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Another basic part of economics is supply and demand. The Sox are in a position where they can't demand a damn thing, they need a starter - with ace potential. Matsuzaka is as such. The Sox are being cheap, and are really hurting their image in Japan in the process, they have 4 days to find a happy medium between 8M and 18M. I'm sure Matsuzaka wants his big payday, I doubt he cares what logo is on the top of his checks. He isn't stupid and neither is Boras, Gil Meche, Ted Lilly and other "average" pitchers are getting 10M+ in the open market. Now Matsuzaka isn't technically in an open market, but the laws of economics work both ways. Mediocre starters get 10M in an open market Matsuzaka gets 8M in a closed market Ehrm, no. Boras isn't an idiot - I'd be in a state of genuine shock if he signed for less than 14M/yr in guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 You're misusing economic principles to a huge extent. The free agent market is irrelevant as he is outside of the market. The price of milk going up doesn't make the price of bread go up. Right now, the Red Sox have 5 starters I believe, so they aren't exactly in a do or die situation. This is a lose lose situation for all the members involved. The Red Sox lose out on PR in Japan, Matsuzaka is viewed as greedy by the Japanese people for refusing 2-3 times what he currently gets, Boras loses out on other Japanese players that want to enter the posting system, Seibu loses out on 51 million. It's in everyone's best interest to get a deal done. There's not one side that's going to be viewed as the bad guy, they all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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