Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 I am curious how this new download link rule impacts the mod MVPEdit from RGlass ? I would truly appreciate an explanation on that particular Mods impact by this new rule. Thanks, Don It has no impact on MVPedit whatsoever. MVPedit has never been hosted here. Besides, this only affects uploads from this point on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Either the file is on one of your servers or it is not listed, correct? This is a change in policy, correct? Please explain again how that is not demanding files be hosted here? Not ONLY on my server, you'd have it linked to your server as well. Again, I'm not demanding anything, you have a choice. I just thought it would be nice for members to have an option on where they download from, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big O Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Other mirrors are accepted in addition to the mirror on MVPMods.com, but a third-party website may not be the only mirror available for a download unless approved by a member of staff. So if somebody has a good reason for doing so and can prove their site is reliable and the best option for hosting due to certain circumstances, I'm sure the Admins would let that person's site be the only link to that file, correct? I don't see the huge deal here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 So if somebody has a good reason for doing so and can prove their site is reliable and the best option for hosting due to certain circumstances, I'm sure the Admins would let that person's site be the only link to that file, correct? I don't see the huge deal here. Correct, that's why it states "unless approved". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Personal attacks, slander, and falsehoods. What did I do to you, what gives you the right to try and make me look a fool? Do you feel that since you can hide behind a forum where you are an admin that gives you a special right. The more I read your little rant the more pissed off I get You publicly blast me and my site and you get a pat on the back for it, it really makes a person ask "why bother" I just wanted control of what I make, apparently this site wants control over everything MVP related and if they can not get it they will humiliate those who disagree with them This is a site that tried to be a "pay only site" because bandwidth was too high now they are demanding all files be hosted here, where is the logic in that Please Kraw, give me a break. What I wrote is no different then some of the stuff that you guys have written before about the Admins here. Acting like a jilted lover, really does not become you. All Trues wanted was your mods to be hosted here, as well las being linked to your own site. Please, explain to me the problems that would arise from that? Like I said in my initial post, you have never personally done anything to me. But I have seen Admins here attacked by you and others, who if I name, will throw a hissy themselves. If you don't want to host any of your mods here, then like Trues said, thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 DJEagles................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big O Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Correct, that's why it states "unless approved". Ok so if Kraw thinks EAMods should be the only one to host the file, can prove it's reliable (which it seems to be) I don't see why the Admins wouldn't approve his site as the only link. I haven't really seen anything that would cause his mods to be dissaproved. And I'm not sure about the history between Kraw and the mods but I could see how he would think his downloads would be scrutinized or not even posted if he has issues with the staff putting them on the site. And it might be a pain in the *** for him to change files on both mirrors all the time especially uploading the 07 mod so I can see where he is coming from on that one. But I know the main purpose for this change is to make sure the user always has a working download so as long as the site hosting the file is deemed reliable by the staff here, like I said I don't see why it couldn't be the only host to make things easier for the modder. This isn't a big deal just as long as everybody is logical and rational... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Ok so if Kraw thinks EAMods should be the only one to host the file, can prove it's reliable (which it seems to be) I don't see why the Admins wouldn't approve his site as the only link. I haven't really seen anything that would cause his mods to be dissaproved. And I'm not sure about the history between Kraw and the mods but I could see how he would think his downloads would be scrutinized or not even posted if he has issues with the staff putting them on the site. And it might be a pain in the **** for him to change files on both mirrors all the time especially uploading the 07 mod so I can see where he is coming from on that one. But I know the main purpose for this change is to make sure the user always has a working download so as long as the site hosting the file is deemed reliable by the staff here, like I said I don't see why it couldn't be the only host to make things easier for the modder. This isn't a big deal just as long as everybody is logical and rational... Absolutely. I'm always flexible. He's the one who wanted his files pulled immediately without even discussing it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Mark is all about what is good for the site and he puts the site first at all times. Seconded. I told you at the time (via PM) I would not be uploading due to MarkB, it should not come as a shock at all to you. You were the one I was in contact which during his power trip. I don't know what to write really, but here goes it... kraw, I respect the fact that you want the ability to quickly update your mods without waiting for approval. I also understand why you wish to track the number of times your mods are downloaded. You should and do have complete control over your mods. My feeling however, is that for the sake of the greater MVP Baseball modding community all mods should be housed in one location. This makes finding new mods easier and it establishes a greater audience thereby creating more exposure for all mods. Currently, I believe that MVPmods.com is the best place to find the largest selection of MVP mods and therefore, it would be best to make this site the central site. As you know, you are highly regarded in the MVP modding community and your mods are some of the best and most innovative out there. We all appreciate your work. My wish at this point in time is that you do not let a rift between MarkB and yourself come between your mods and the appreciative members of this site. While I fully support MarkB, he is only one member out of almost 40,000 (including all the duplicate accounts out there). If there is anything we can do to assist you in tracking your mods' download statistics, please let us know. If possible, I am sure we will be willing to accomodate your request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Seconded. I don't know what to write really, but here goes it... kraw, I respect the fact that you want the ability to quickly update your mods without waiting for approval. I also understand why you wish to track the number of times your mods are downloaded. You should and do have complete control over your mods. My feeling however, is that for the sake of the greater MVP Baseball modding community all mods should be housed in one location. This makes finding new mods easier and it establishes a greater audience thereby creating more exposure for all mods. Currently, I believe that MVPmods.com is the best place to find the largest selection of MVP mods and therefore, it would be best to make this site the central site. As you know, you are highly regarded in the MVP modding community and your mods are some of the best and most innovative out there. We all appreciate your work. My wish at this point in time is that you do not let a rift between MarkB and yourself come between your mods and the appreciative members of this site. While I fully support MarkB, he is only one member out of almost 40,000 (including all the duplicate accounts out there). If there is anything we can do to assist you in tracking your mods' download statistics, please let us know. If possible, I am sure we will be willing to accomodate your request. Co-Signed. Where were you last night Carter??? :toothless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 The mods can be listed in a central location, by unilaterally making this change you are forcing krawhitham to withdraw his mods from being listed on this site which is actually more of an inconvenience for the end users. Again, if you really wanted to make things easier for end users and stop the unnecessary reporting of broken links, put a notice on the particular download page stating that the user will be forwarded to an external site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 DJEagles................ I've got a idea, can we stop this co-signing back-slapping bullshit please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 by unilaterally making this change you are forcing krawhitham to withdraw his mods from being listed on this site which is actually more of an inconvenience for the end users. I'm not forcing him to do anything, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I'm not forcing him to do anything, sorry. Fine, play silly semantic games then, replace the word "force" with "given his year-old decision to not have his mods hosted on this site, krawhitham will be left with no choice but to remove his mods from the site download list" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I could say a whole lot more about this little situation that's developed, and some of the comments left, but I won't. Firstly, and most importantly, this site was designed to provide a resource and a central point for users of MVP Baseball to share ideas, post information, and discuss and upload mods for the games. Thankfully, all of these are still being done. One of the biggest reasons we have so many users is because of the large and wide-ranging downloads section, as I'm sure most of you know. You can get pretty much anything you'll ever need for MVP from here. As this is a community, I know that personally, I'd rather see the available files listed on one main site with optional mirrors on other sites, if I choose to use them. From the mindstate of John Doe, a random user who just bought MVP Baseball 2005, he'll do a Google search for MVP Baseball 2005 and maybe find this site. He'll see all the great discussion (well, most of it's great, good, at least) and all the great mods available for the game, and he'll try to download one of them. He'll be informed that the file is only available to registered users, so he might decide to join the site. Great, welcome to the community, Mr. John Doe. Hope you have a great time. He'll go through the whole process of activating his account and logging in again, then go to the downloads again and try to download that great file he saw. Here's where the road splits. With 1 mirror to the file hosted on MVPMods.com; He'll have instant access to that file, and he'll be downloading it within seconds. Happy days! With 2 mirrors and one of the mirrors located on MVPMods.com; He'll try the MVPMods.com mirror and start downloading the file. Happy days! With 1 mirror to the file hosted on randomsite.com; He'll click the link, be directed to another totally different site and will be shown a message telling him that he needs to register for this new site in order to download the file. John Doe suddenly isn't so happy. John Doe = . The point I'm making is that we want the site to be as easy, painless and welcoming as possible to the user base. If we need to implement a few new policies here and there in order to do that, then that's what we'll do. That's what the staff are supposed to do. Our job, so to speak, as staff members on this site is to keep the users happy, and uphold the rules of the site. We do that to the best of our ability. Sure, mistakes may be made on occasion. We are human. We all have day jobs, we all have stress in our own personal lives just like everyone else. When mistakes are made, we do our best to correct them. DJ's posts in this thread are a perfect example. In his opinion, he made a mistake and he apologised for it. If Trues wants to take any action on any decision or action taken by any staff members, he will. That's his call, his choice. If he felt that in any case, whether past, previous our future, a decision was made wrongly, he'll correct it. If he isn't happy with a certain staff member's actions over a longer period of time, he'll remove them from the staff. Only 1 person has ever been removed from the staff on this site. At the end of the day, on a more personal note, I really don't give a damn who likes me and who doesn't, who agrees with the decisions I make as a member of staff and who doesn't. Sure, that might make me seem arrogant, obnoxious, whatever other terminology you want to use. For everyone and anyone who has something negative to say about the staff on this site, remember this. You can spend all your time complaining about it on the forums, you can send as many e-mails as you want to the complaint system, you can put a damn banner in Times Square, for all I care, and no, I'm not recommending these. If Trues, or any other member of staff disagrees with my actions, I'll know about it a hell of a lot quicker than it will take you to start bitching about it and drumming up support for the latest "down with the staff" campaign. I don't mind honest, open-minded communication or criticism, constructive or not, from anyone. What I do mind is being complained about day after day, month after month, year after year. If it was a problem, it would have been rectified a long time ago before now. If we, as staff members, need to take action on someone or something due to that person's violation of the rules on the site, then we will, no matter how much they complain. No-one gets a free pass. You continue to break the rules on this site, you will lose access to it. You can spend the rest of your life moaning, but at the end of the day, the rules are posted on the site for public viewing. Everyone and their grandmother's should be aware of them if they're a member of this site. If you choose to violate them, that's your choice, and, appropriately enough, you will have to suffer the consequences of your own actions. However, what won't help your cause is to repeatedly bring it up and complain about it. If it was an issue at first, it would have been dealt with. It wasn't, so it's not an issue. Moaning about it at every chance you get will do nothing but lower your standing in the community. With that said, if you don't like the policies adopted on this site, you're perfectly free to go somewhere else. But please, don't decide to come back in a year and complain about the reason you left in the first place. You have a problem with the new policies, speak to a staff member. Don't fly off the handle and make rash decisions. Don't take every opportunity to slander anyone and everything you have a problem with, and make public outcries about the new policies. Have a discussion with a staff member, and we'll probably be able to work something out while being civil. Finally, I hope every member on this site, whether they post or not, is capable of making their own mind up about their opinions of others. If you want to base your opinion on someone or something, base it on the phrase "There's 2 sides to every story". If anyone wants to talk to me about something, fine, I'll be the first one to be right there and have an open and honest discussion with you, no matter what my opinion is of you, or yours of me. But if you can't meet me halfway and continue to take shots at me without reason, I'll also be the first one there to set the record straight. To quote a certain O'Shea Jackson, "I ain't Mike Jones, keep my name out your mouth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 With 1 mirror to the file hosted on MVPMods.com; He'll have instant access to that file, and he'll be downloading it within seconds. Happy days! With 2 mirrors and one of the mirrors located on MVPMods.com; He'll try the MVPMods.com mirror and start downloading the file. Happy days! With 1 mirror to the file hosted on randomsite.com; He'll click the link, be directed to another totally different site and will be shown a message telling him that he needs to register for this new site in order to download the file. John Doe suddenly isn't so happy. John Doe = . Well put a notice up saying "this download is hosted on a external site, you may be need to register at that site to download". Far better that than not having no link to installer thingy on this site downloads and having daily threads about "where can I get installer thingy" like mvpedit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well put a notice up saying "this download is hosted on a external site, you may be need to register at that site to download". I don't know about everyone else in here, but I have enough user IDs and passwords to remember. I would rather not be forced to register at yet another site. Having to register at another site may be enough of a deterance to someone looking for a particular mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well, if a user having to go through the terrible inconvenience of having to remember a user ID and password to download something for free is a major concern then why not allow users to download anything they want from here without having to register at all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I could say a whole lot more about this little situation that's developed, and some of the comments left, but I won't. Firstly, and most importantly, this site was designed to provide a resource and a central point for users of MVP Baseball to share ideas, post information, and discuss and upload mods for the games. Thankfully, all of these are still being done. One of the biggest reasons we have so many users is because of the large and wide-ranging downloads section, as I'm sure most of you know. You can get pretty much anything you'll ever need for MVP from here. As this is a community, I know that personally, I'd rather see the available files listed on one main site with optional mirrors on other sites, if I choose to use them. From the mindstate of John Doe, a random user who just bought MVP Baseball 2005, he'll do a Google search for MVP Baseball 2005 and maybe find this site. He'll see all the great discussion (well, most of it's great, good, at least) and all the great mods available for the game, and he'll try to download one of them. He'll be informed that the file is only available to registered users, so he might decide to join the site. Great, welcome to the community, Mr. John Doe. Hope you have a great time. He'll go through the whole process of activating his account and logging in again, then go to the downloads again and try to download that great file he saw. Here's where the road splits. With 1 mirror to the file hosted on MVPMods.com; He'll have instant access to that file, and he'll be downloading it within seconds. Happy days! With 2 mirrors and one of the mirrors located on MVPMods.com; He'll try the MVPMods.com mirror and start downloading the file. Happy days! With 1 mirror to the file hosted on randomsite.com; He'll click the link, be directed to another totally different site and will be shown a message telling him that he needs to register for this new site in order to download the file. John Doe suddenly isn't so happy. John Doe = . The point I'm making is that we want the site to be as easy, painless and welcoming as possible to the user base. If we need to implement a few new policies here and there in order to do that, then that's what we'll do. That's what the staff are supposed to do. Our job, so to speak, as staff members on this site is to keep the users happy, and uphold the rules of the site. We do that to the best of our ability. Sure, mistakes may be made on occasion. We are human. We all have day jobs, we all have stress in our own personal lives just like everyone else. When mistakes are made, we do our best to correct them. DJ's posts in this thread are a perfect example. In his opinion, he made a mistake and he apologised for it. If Trues wants to take any action on any decision or action taken by any staff members, he will. That's his call, his choice. If he felt that in any case, whether past, previous our future, a decision was made wrongly, he'll correct it. If he isn't happy with a certain staff member's actions over a longer period of time, he'll remove them from the staff. Only 1 person has ever been removed from the staff on this site. At the end of the day, on a more personal note, I really don't give a damn who likes me and who doesn't, who agrees with the decisions I make as a member of staff and who doesn't. Sure, that might make me seem arrogant, obnoxious, whatever other terminology you want to use. For everyone and anyone who has something negative to say about the staff on this site, remember this. You can spend all your time complaining about it on the forums, you can send as many e-mails as you want to the complaint system, you can put a damn banner in Times Square, for all I care, and no, I'm not recommending these. If Trues, or any other member of staff disagrees with my actions, I'll know about it a hell of a lot quicker than it will take you to start bitching about it and drumming up support for the latest "down with the staff" campaign. I don't mind honest, open-minded communication or criticism, constructive or not, from anyone. What I do mind is being complained about day after day, month after month, year after year. If it was a problem, it would have been rectified a long time ago before now. If we, as staff members, need to take action on someone or something due to that person's violation of the rules on the site, then we will, no matter how much they complain. No-one gets a free pass. You continue to break the rules on this site, you will lose access to it. You can spend the rest of your life moaning, but at the end of the day, the rules are posted on the site for public viewing. Everyone and their grandmother's should be aware of them if they're a member of this site. If you choose to violate them, that's your choice, and, appropriately enough, you will have to suffer the consequences of your own actions. However, what won't help your cause is to repeatedly bring it up and complain about it. If it was an issue at first, it would have been dealt with. It wasn't, so it's not an issue. Moaning about it at every chance you get will do nothing but lower your standing in the community. With that said, if you don't like the policies adopted on this site, you're perfectly free to go somewhere else. But please, don't decide to come back in a year and complain about the reason you left in the first place. You have a problem with the new policies, speak to a staff member. Don't fly off the handle and make rash decisions. Don't take every opportunity to slander anyone and everything you have a problem with, and make public outcries about the new policies. Have a discussion with a staff member, and we'll probably be able to work something out while being civil. Finally, I hope every member on this site, whether they post or not, is capable of making their own mind up about their opinions of others. If you want to base your opinion on someone or something, base it on the phrase "There's 2 sides to every story". If anyone wants to talk to me about something, fine, I'll be the first one to be right there and have an open and honest discussion with you, no matter what my opinion is of you, or yours of me. But if you can't meet me halfway and continue to take shots at me without reason, I'll also be the first one there to set the record straight. To quote a certain O'Shea Jackson, "I ain't Mike Jones, keep my name out your mouth". Let me say that I will most certainly step aside if I am a detriment to this site, and it's staff. That was not my intention when I was asked to join, and I do not want to be known as a staff member that no one wants to deal with. I love this site, and will give up my Admin status if it helps ease this process. Once again, I apologize for the way I stated things in my thread, but I stand by my remarks, although they could have been expressed in a less hostile manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Let me say that I will most certainly step aside if I am a detriment to this site, and it's staff. That was not my intention when I was asked to join, and I do not want to be known as a staff member that no one wants to deal with. I love this site, and will give up my Admin status if it helps ease this process. Once again, I apologize for the way I stated things in my thread, but I stand by my remarks, although they could have been expressed in a less hostile manner. You (and the rest of the staff) are a great asset to this site regardless of what a few people might think. Hang in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I guess that's the mvpmods equivalent of "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I guess that's the mvpmods equivalent of "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie" I'm not even trying to be sarcastic right now - but can you explain that reference to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big O Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I'm not even trying to be sarcastic right now - but can you explain that reference to me? It's what Bush said to former FEMA chief Michael Brown during the Katrina mess before he was sacked shortly afterwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwentySeven Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I'm not even trying to be sarcastic right now - but can you explain that reference to me? I'm guessing it is from the term "brown noser", but I'm not too sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 It's what Bush said to former FEMA chief Michael Brown during the Katrina mess before he was sacked shortly afterwards... Nice obscure reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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