furball Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'm really sorry if this has been posted before. When I go to EDIT a ballplayer, I can see how he fields and hits and even responds to fastballs or curves in or out of the stikezone. But I'm beginning to think the AI has NO MEMORY of the pitch I just threw! That is, I'd like to THINK that a Fastball tight and low might setup a change-up high and away. But it appears that the AI is just reacting to each pitch on its own, WITH NO HISTORY. That is, if player X swings and misses at a changeup X amount of time when it's in the strike-zone, I can throw that SAME pitch EVERY time to the SAME EXACT SPOT and get that percentage of swings. That is, the AI does NOT know what I threw before, and therefore, my pitches are NOT setting up anything from one to the next? Is this true? If so, I'm really disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwentySeven Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I don't think so, it definitely has some memory. If you throw the same pitch every time, you definitely get hit. It seems to me like it actually behaves pretty decently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furball Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Can anyone confirm this? After playing two whole seasons mixing my picthes, I've played a full month of throwing the same pitch to the same spot and the AI doesn't SEEM to remember the previous pitch. Am I just lucky or unlucky? I really WANT the AI to be able to remember what I threw, so I can set up pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfgiantsflgators Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'm with 27 - if I don't mix it up, I've got none chance... ...so there has to be SOME memory. What difficulty are you playing on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furball Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 I play on Rookie, so far. But here's the thing: After 20 games of Major-league, 3a, 2a and 1a ball, it SEEMS like I can throw whatever pitch the oppenent hits least often - based on his swing/miss ratios for pitches - and it makes NO difference what pitch I threw before. Now, I've played 3 ENTIRE seasons prior to this mixing up my pitches. But THIS season, it LOOKS like if a given batter swings and misses a lot at sliders inside the strike-zone, I can just throw sliders all day long inside the strike zaone to the SAME spot and he'll never seem to get any better or worse . . . as if EACH pitch is a separate event and the AI has NO memory of what I threw before. Can anyone confirm this or deny it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tywiggins Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I play on Rookie, so far. But here's the thing: After 20 games of Major-league, 3a, 2a and 1a ball, it SEEMS like I can throw whatever pitch the oppenent hits least often - based on his swing/miss ratios for pitches - and it makes NO difference what pitch I threw before. Now, I've played 3 ENTIRE seasons prior to this mixing up my pitches. But THIS season, it LOOKS like if a given batter swings and misses a lot at sliders inside the strike-zone, I can just throw sliders all day long inside the strike zaone to the SAME spot and he'll never seem to get any better or worse . . . as if EACH pitch is a separate event and the AI has NO memory of what I threw before. Can anyone confirm this or deny it? That's entirely possible. But, what do you expect? You're playing on the lowest difficulty setting. Try moving up a level or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furball Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 But the [seemeingly obvious] existenstial question remains. Does the AI remember a pitch or not? I am not sure how we'd prove this, but it seems it does not. And that probably wouldn't be dependent on Rookie or whatever level, but I don't know. What surprises me is that no one seems to have a difinitive answer, even if maybe wrong. I mean, for the entire month of April, I've been throwing pitches to the same spot and the AI does NOT seem to be pouncing on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctdc Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I don't have any "Proof", but if I throw the same pitch twice I constantly get ripped. BTW- I play on AllStar, so maybe the difficulty does have something to do with it. Also, you should never throw a changeup high in the zone, but that's another topic. DocTDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tywiggins Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 But the [seemeingly obvious] existenstial question remains. Does the AI remember a pitch or not? I am not sure how we'd prove this, but it seems it does not. And that probably wouldn't be dependent on Rookie or whatever level, but I don't know. What surprises me is that no one seems to have a difinitive answer, even if maybe wrong. I mean, for the entire month of April, I've been throwing pitches to the same spt and the AI does NOT seem to be pouncing on me. Well the pitch history is definitely stored in the memory for the current game. Press the left stick button on your controller to see it. We don't have access to the AI, so we can't really tell you for sure whether the computer uses the pitch history to make its decisions. From your observations, it's a pretty fair guess that it doesn't on the Rookie level. But from my own experience on All-Star and MVP levels, it's not a good idea to throw the same pitch repeatedly. So I would say that the computer does make use of the pitch history on All-Star and MVP. Basically you've been playing against a moron for 3+ seasons :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furball Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Thanks, Doc! I was always doing the careful pitching for 3 years - over a thousand games - Don't change-up high in the strike zone, don't throw two similar pitches to the same spot, mix location and speeds. It's just that I don't see anything mentioned HARD about the AI remembering anything about pitches, and, this year in my Dynasty, I've been throwing to the same spot with the same pitch and the AI doesn't seem to be smacking me as it should. So the question is, "Does anyone have any proof at all that the AI remembers one pitch to the next?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eber Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The AI sometimes makes adjustments and moves around the batters box, e.g. if you keep throwing pitches to the outside the AI will sometimes move closer to the plate to cover the outer half of the strikezone. That and the common observation that if you keep throwing the same pitch to the same location (at the higher difficulty levels) you're gonna get hit hard is probably the best proof you're gonna get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furball Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 Yep, now that I'm not snockered, I agree with you guys. I play on Rookie cause I can't hit worth a darn. Actually, in past seasons I've only played manually in certain situations. But I had made a probable error in my thinking. I could tell that the Rookie setting gave my pitcher a wider "sweet spot" in his "delivery circle." It hadn't occured to me that the batter would be dumbed down. If the higher settings - in addition to making my hitting more difficult - also make his pitching better, I'm really in trouble! Thanks for all the replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguininja Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Try upping the user batter contact in your gameplay settings and give pro a try. If you start at +50 I doubt you're going to have any trouble getting 20+ hits a game. I can't promise the batter AI won't still be completely terrible, but it should at least be a marginal improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP_Frost Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I find that the AI is pretty realistic in this aspect. Just the other day, I threw back to back changeups down and away. If you come back and throw them a fastball up and in for example, the AI is overpowered the majority of the time. So you can get them thinking off speed away and come back over the top with the heat inside. It seems that they remember the pitch history. But as has been said, it might just be the difficulty level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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