medric822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I thought it was in Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeah, lol. Thats great! About the me becoming "Jewish" last year, it was great. I must say although the intentions were for the wrong reason, it was a good expierance, because I had the chance to see what it was like for soemone of the Jewish faith, and how much people make fun of them because of shows like South Park and (Not sure on this, so if I'm wrong, correct me, dont scold me) Family Guy. I was called everything from Dradel Boy to Dirty Jew Rat. I never made fun of Jews before for their religion, because it just wasn't right. But overall, it was fun. This year, my friend who made the bet with me last year gave me a new chalange. He wanted me to convince the entire school that I was a different skin color, but that didn't work. I lost that bet. (Side note: I didn't do anything to bring shame onto the Jewish religion, or the ethnic group that I chose to be for the second bet) I am not trying to start anything, but I just don't see the "fun" in it. Be careful, or your schoolmates will just think you are a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I spent a half year learning lots about the Jewish faith from a girl I was trying to take to prom. It totally didn't work. I do not mean to sound pompous, but why would it? Learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith has to come from a sincerity of heart, not because of a girl. In fact Orthodox Rabbi's will not officiate a conversion to Judaism if the person is in any way involved in a personal relationship with a Jew at the time. In fact it is the first question a perspective convert is asked when he walks in the door asking about conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeah, thx for the warning, but so many of them still believe I am Jewish, although I told them it was a joke last year. They know me there, and that I'm usually a pritty straight shooter unless I'm involved in a pratical joke, which in my senior year, happened very little unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I do not mean to sound pompous, but why would it? Learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith has to come from a sincerity of heart, not because of a girl. In fact Orthodox Rabbi's will not officiate a conversion to Judaism if the person is in any way involved in a personal relationship with a Jew at the time. In fact it is the first question a perspective convert is asked when he walks in the door asking about conversion. Ok, thats one thing I never understood. Cant someone just walk in and say their Jewish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I thought it was in Genesis. It's alright. It's actually from the new test. I think the book of revelation. (but am not positive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Kinda funny that a Jewish person knows that its from the NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Medric There's a little something out there called Higher Criticism. I'm really sorry to break this to you, but Moses did not write the Pentateuch. Rather, those first five books were written by several different authors (who knows, maybe Moses was among them) and cobbled together at some later date. Evidence for this abounds. The majority of religious scholars, from most denominations, accept this. Try looking it up sometime. I could not disagree with this any more vehemently than if you were to say that murder was something G-D condones. I hate to "break it to you" (actually I don't hate to) but you are mistaken. I don't know where you get your facts from, but that statement is witout any basis. (unless your idea of a religious scholar is one who reads comic books all day) As Darth Vader stated "I find your lack of faith disturbing". (that quote is meant to be humorous) However in all seriousness, the people you claim to be Biblical scholars would be hard pressed to win a Biblical argument with my 10 year old niece. You are right about one thing though, Moses didn't write it, G-D did. Moses only published it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Kinda funny that a Jewish person knows that its from the NT. Not really. If you knew my background & what I do, it would make perfect sense. I actually have a fairly good working knowledge of the NT. (not as well as the Jewish Scriptures though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I read this book 15 minutes in hell, it was crazy, This guy claims to have been brought to Hell to tell the world about it, he goes into great details about how it's laid out and provides scripture form the old and new testaments to back up his claims, it sounds scary as well...hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hey shmooz, being jewish and having a good working knowledge of the NT what is your take on it? I know you guys don't believe that Christ was the son of God, so do you guys believe that the NT is the word of God? I've always been curious about that, who knew I'd get to ask on a baseball mod site lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Thats a good question, But since the NT is mostly about Jesus, I'd have to say probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I do not mean to sound pompous, but why would it? Learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith has to come from a sincerity of heart, not because of a girl. In fact Orthodox Rabbi's will not officiate a conversion to Judaism if the person is in any way involved in a personal relationship with a Jew at the time. In fact it is the first question a perspective convert is asked when he walks in the door asking about conversion. Well, for one, I wasn't interested in learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith. I was interested in learning for learning's sake. I think her religious background was one thing that made her attractive to me -- I was pretty certain at that point that Christianity wasn't for me, and was exploring what other people had to say about God. I wasn't a sleazy kid trying to feign interest in her religion to take her to prom as my original post might have you believe. But then again, I was a hormone-driven teen-ager. And she was gorgeous. Anyway, I had originally meant to post all the things that interested me about the Jewish faith, but then the memories of going to prom stag while she brought a football player brought back the bitter bile in my brain. Sorry about that. The story sounds kind of crass in short form. --Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I must admit I am a bit confused here. I have read the entire book of Genesis probably close to 500 times. Genesis says no such thing. Btw... I do believe in hell. (though not the Christian version of it) He may be thinking about Milton's Paradise Lost here, which many folks mistakenly believe as Biblical canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Thats a point that I was trying to get across Killer B's. Ok, If you believe in God 150%, yet you believe that evolution happened, then your 150% is more like 70% already. You cant believe both. According to evolution, it took place over millions of years, but the Bible, it took place roughly 8000 years ago. If your going to study something, whats easier, something closer to todays time period with records by people, or something that happened 'millions' of years ago with no real historical proff besides what we say it is. We dont see people that look like they just came out of the Planet of the Apes movie, although some red-necks can come close, which right there should put a red flag on the theory of evolution. In fact, the only real change that humans have made over the past 2000 years, is a longer lifespan, only due to the discoveries of such things as hygene. I would like to start off by saying I do not believe in evolution. In fact as I stated earlier I believe in devolution. Man used to live hundreds of years. Today one is amazed to see somebody reach the small amount of 100. Of people that died that Scripture speaks about openly Mihsooshelach (grandfather of Noach) lived 969 years. Tell me what human being today lives to anywhere close to that age. In fact I believe this earth is 5,767 years & 5 months 20 days old. This is based upon the opinion that man was created on the first day of the seventh month (Biblical calendar) commonly known as Rosh Hashanah (the Jewish new year) (there is a differing opinion that man was created 6 months later in the first month, nevertheless the only difference of opinion is within a 6 month timeframe) (note: the following is not presented to in any way show a point for evolution which in my opinion is absurd, but rather to point out how time may not be as simple as we may think it is) With that said, I will present an argument for your observation which I myself in fact do not believe to be true. Nevertheless I think it is worth mentioning because it shows that one can still believe the Biblical account, yet also believe the earth is millions of years old as we reckon time. If you read the Bible you will find that Scripture in Genesis never mentions a time frame as to how long one day was. It simply says "there was evening & there was morning" followed by the day number. How long each day took is not mentioned at all. This has led some people who believe the Biblical account to hypothesize that (perhaps) the world is "older" than we may think it is. I actually approached my Rabbi in regard to this & he disagreed with it's truthfulness based on certain Scriptural understandings of the Hebrew word "yom". (day) I believe my Rabbi personally to be correct, however I can also see why some people may legitimately believe the Biblical account of creation & yet believe in a world that is "billions" of years old. I will conclude by stating that Ramban (a great Jewish sage who lived hundreds of years ago) said... Scripture (Jewish) in general contains many deep hidden secrets, but Genesis in particular (the account of creation) has the deepest secrets of all. That a person who reads the account of creation with ONLY face value eyes is in complete error. Not to say that what it says is untrue, but rather to say that there is alot more "between the lines". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmexico Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Well, for one, I wasn't interested in learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith. I was interested in learning for learning's sake. I think her religious background was one thing that made her attractive to me -- I was pretty certain at that point that Christianity wasn't for me, and was exploring what other people had to say about God. I wasn't a sleazy kid trying to feign interest in her religion to take her to prom as my original post might have you believe. But then again, I was a hormone-driven teen-ager. And she was gorgeous. Anyway, I had originally meant to post all the things that interested me about the Jewish faith, but then the memories of going to prom stag while she brought a football player brought back the bitter bile in my brain. Sorry about that. The story sounds kind of crass in short form. --Eric It's okay, atleast you have Mrs. Astroeric :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hey shmooz, being jewish and having a good working knowledge of the NT what is your take on it? I know you guys don't believe that Christ was the son of God, so do you guys believe that the NT is the word of God? I've always been curious about that, who knew I'd get to ask on a baseball mod site lol Actually we Jews do not believe the NT to be the word of G-D. If I did, then I guess I would be a Christian The new test as Medric said is about jesus & his background & teachings. It is also about other people's teachings which are supposedly based on jesus's teachings. As a Jew, I do not believe neither the background nor those teachings to be correct, so how could I believe it to be the word of G-D? I hope this answers your question without being offensive to your beliefs Heh heh, ya never know what you might find on a baseball site. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 It's okay, atleast you have Mrs. Astroeric :w00t: Said in the manner of Vernon T. Waldrip: Hold on just a minute! You can't talk that way about my wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big shmooz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Well, for one, I wasn't interested in learning about the Jewish faith to join the faith. I was interested in learning for learning's sake. I think her religious background was one thing that made her attractive to me -- I was pretty certain at that point that Christianity wasn't for me, and was exploring what other people had to say about God. I wasn't a sleazy kid trying to feign interest in her religion to take her to prom as my original post might have you believe. But then again, I was a hormone-driven teen-ager. And she was gorgeous. Anyway, I had originally meant to post all the things that interested me about the Jewish faith, but then the memories of going to prom stag while she brought a football player brought back the bitter bile in my brain. Sorry about that. The story sounds kind of crass in short form. --Eric I apologize. Please do forgive me. (btw... was the football player Jewish?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 No apology necessary. The fault was mine for being so vague in my first post. I don't think he was, but the lack of other Jewish people at my high school (in North Carolina) probably meant slim pickings. She could've dated [another Jewish kid], I suppose, but he...was a dork who semi-professionally raced go-karts. --Eric (Edited to remove someone's name. Shouldn't put that in there.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerBs Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hahaha, its amazing what a teenaged boy will do to impress a girl... I used to do some stupid, stupid stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmexico Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hahaha, its amazing what a teenaged boy will do to impress a girl... I used to do some stupid, stupid stuff. Shows what I will still do :headache: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve822 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Actually we Jews do not believe the NT to be the word of G-D. If I did, then I guess I would be a Christian The new test as Medric said is about jesus & his background & teachings. It is also about other people's teachings which are supposedly based on jesus's teachings. As a Jew, I do not believe neither the background nor those teachings to be correct, so how could I believe it to be the word of G-D? I hope this answers your question without being offensive to your beliefs Heh heh, ya never know what you might find on a baseball site. hey it's all good, I love the old testament, one of my favorite bible stories is the one about Caleb, where the people are all like God should have left us in bondage and all that, and Caleb was all like suck it up Jewish folks quit feeling sorry for your selfs and let roll. any hoo, I didn't take any offense by your comments but I have to ask, why don't the Jewsih people believe in Jesus, as far as I can tell he fofilled all the profecies and I'm drawing a blank to specifics but all through the Old testament it seems to me (being Christian Bias) that his comming is predicted. I'm not trying to start anything here Religion, Baseball and hockey are my 3 favorite thing to discuss is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerBs Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Shows what I will still do :headache: Just realize that you probably won't be marrying the current girl(s) that you are chasing, so don't do too much stupid stuff. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmexico Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Just realize that you probably won't be marrying the current girl(s) that you are chasing, so don't do too much stupid stuff. lol. Believe you me, this is something that I understand and thank god (no pun intended) cause I've seen some of the things my friends have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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