D-Unit Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 wow so not worth 300 replies. Wow you actually wasted time to post that. Congraulations, you don't have to read this. EDIT: Now it's 300 posts :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim416 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I must tip my cap to those of you who have so eloquently defended Christ. In todays world it is vogue, I believe, for our media to attack christianity first and foremost. Are there good reasons because of bad examples out there (many on the boob tube), yes. Does our media report truths anymore, or is our news mostly editorials? Editorials I believe, just my opinion. This James Cameron thing.........?????? Until He came to me I was never able to find my daughter. It lead me to write a book. The opening passage is.... ".... Do not remember the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions; for Your name’s sake, O Lord, pardon my iniquity, for it is great. Look on my affliction and my pain, and forgive all my sins...." Even if you worshipped a tree these are words that can help us all get from point A to point B. It lead me to be selfless and not selfish and only until I started giving was I able to get back and have some peace. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I watched the special tonight and I think it was a poor use of logic to build a 'link' between what was found and the Christ in the Bible. However, I do feel bad for the journalist that put this special together. I had to turn off the 'Critical Look' recap at the end because he was being skewered by real archeologists and specialists for his poor use of science. Even Ted Koppel was giving him a good once over. He spent 3 years working on this and on the night that was supposed to be the big 'Ta-Da!' he's getting ripped apart. That said, he seemed to use just enough science, just enough statistics and just enough what-ifs to make it seem plausible. You can choose to believe it on whatever basis you like. However, with the information presented, it would be like believing the people that say they have found Noah's Ark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautrec Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I cannot hope to persuade anyone reading this post that they should believe in Christ. I cannot elequently present my faith in facts and figures, with understanding of Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, and decipher every jot and tittle that was written. I fear I am as common as a man as most. I've been asked why I believe. I can only offer, that while I was still a sinner, Christ died for me, so I could be given eternal life. And while I believe that Jesus has fulfilled many prophicies and He will fulfill many more, I cannot "prove" that to anyone who doesn't want proof. But here's a funny thing. We find ourselves, prying into a possibly 2000 year tomb, with the objective of "proving" that it was this man, Jesus Christ buried here, and that he did not resurrect, at least physically, as the Bible states. Once again, no matter how I or anyone else believes, we find ourselves face to face with Jesus Christ. He just keeps coming up, and ironically, it was the non-believing side that brings Him to the forefront this time. Jesus was controversial in His time, and He is no less controversial to this day. His love is as real today, and is as relavent as it was when and before he walked the earth. I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I just watched some of this on TV, and I have to say, it was very very, well, non-convincing. Whose to say that the Rabbi's didn't pay off someone to create a bogus tomb like they paid off the Roman guards to so they wouldn't say what realy happened at the origional tomb of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanRobinson Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Lautrec, you bring up an intriguing point that I think we should consider--the nature of the Resurrection. The fact that Christ was resurrected (and I do believe it's a fact) does not necessarily translate into his physical body being brought back to life. After all, remember that Mary Magdalene and the apostles did not at first recognize Christ after the resurrection; given how much time they had spent with Him, one would think He would be easily recognizable. This suggests, to me at least, that the nature of resurrection is more than the physical body coming back to life--perhaps it's more symbolic. Anyway, that's kind of simplistic, but I hope you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Its kinda hard for people to see you without a body, I must admit that. It is possible that his body was fully restored, and that may be why they didn't reconize him, since the last time they saw him, he was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanRobinson Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 *Sigh* I was not suggesting that He had no body. I was suggesting that He was brought back in a more perfect form than his previous, human body. It doesn't matter that the last time His disciples saw Him, He was dead (nice try at wit, though). If you've been with a person 24/7 for well over a year, you're certainly going to recognize them, alive or dead. That His devoted followers did not immediately recognize Him suggests that His appearance was quite different from that with which they were familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Possibly clean shaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowther Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." Luke 24:39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleMo Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 He also sat and ate with them. Why sit and eat when you're a spirit. And if He is not risen bodily, then you have not hope of rising again, receiving your new body in heaven. "Can a brotha get an amen?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautrec Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 SeanRobinson- I have always found that interesting, in which the disciples indeed seemed slow on the uptake in recognizing Jesus after the resurrection. I believe that many stronge things were occuring at that time, and confusion abounded. Don't forget all the other people who rose at the moments of Jesus death. (From Matthew 27: 51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.) I think that Jesus did reappear in His body, which was always perfect, but perhaps you are on to something when you suggest it may have been more perfect. I think it was probably something like their perceptions may have been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reale24 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Techincally Jesus was buried in a tomp with a coffin so it could be possible, I just doubt it's Jesus'. Ummmm. Jesus was not buried in a coffin......he was in a tomb yes, but not in a coffin. Plus he was raised on the 3rd day so his bones could not be there. so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reale24 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 First I am not American, I am a Canadian, and second, why is your religion better then the ones you have named above? Why is being a "born again" Christian better then being a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness? You have me confused Medric, like always. You say you follow the Bible yet you judge peoples race, sexual orientation, religion, etc...does that not make you the worst sinner of all? I believe there is a God, I believe in a higher power. I don't need a Bible to tell me I will be judged when I die. I don't need a Bile to tell me what is right and what is wrong. The Bible is outdated...should we not accept that, and adapt to this day and age? Again, in my opinion, organized religion has been manipulated by man to suit his needs. Every religion twists the words of the Bible to suit their needs, and to prove "their" views. I was going to let this go, but it burns me the longer I sit at my desk. Medric, I am a Catholic...not a practicing one...anymore, but I do believe in the Lord, and I believe as long as I live a good, clean life, I will be fine on judgment day. I have sinned, and I will sin again I am sure, but I do not hide behind the Bible to justify the reasons for my sinning. You are judging people left and right on this board...peoples race, and sexual orientations, yet you hide behind the text in the Bible. That is my point! You use scriptures in the Bible to justify your dislike for someone else...do you really believe that is what God wants? How is that part of God plan or will? How is general dislike for homosexuals a good thing? You have me so confused, because I always though that loving God was part of loving all mankind...am I wrong? You can't pick and choose who to love, and who to dislike. Everyone has faults, everyone sins, and it seems to me that the biggest sinners are the ones who hide behind the Bible to justify their needs, and wants in life. Ok, First of all, Being Born again is better, because its the only way to heaven. Second, Being Gay is wrong, So I look down at it, I don't know about "Medric", but I don't dislike people for their race. THE BIBLE IS NOT OUTDATED! Its the only thing to go by. Even if you live a good clean life, that does not assure that your going to heaven. OI I wish people would just drop this whole "Jesus' coffin" crap, its hust stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautrec Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Ok, First of all, Being Born again is better, because its the only way to heaven. Second, Being Gay is wrong, So I look down at it, I don't know about "Medric", but I don't dislike people for their race. THE BIBLE IS NOT OUTDATED! Its the only thing to go by. Even if you live a good clean life, that does not assure that your going to heaven. OI I wish people would just drop this whole "Jesus' coffin" crap, its hust stupid. Wow, this post is incredibly lacking in what I consider the central point of Christianity; love. You may believe that being homosexual is wrong, but where is the incentive for change, when you approach it from a "holier than thou" tack? Matthew 7:4 says this: How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? I strugle daily with my shortcomings and failures, and I suppose people look down on me. I only cheat myself, when I fail to view others with the respect and love they deserve for being equally created by God. God, who does not make trash. I agree that "living a good, clean life" does not assure one entrance to heaven. I agree that Bible is not outdated. But if I slam these beliefs over an individual's head, will I accomplish anything? 1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. And, I for one, do NOT wish they would drop the "Jesus coffin crap". This "crap" as you've called it, always leads to deeper discussions, and if one is honest, you can glean so much from the posts in this thread, from believers and ESPECIALLY from the non-believers. I think we need to hear, to listen and leave the judgements to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padres67 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I have read many of these posts and have responded at times to some of the comments. The basic idea is do we have life after death? Most people believe we do because inside everyone of us is an implant from our creator to have fellowship with him. If you do not believe this then you are lying to yourself. Think about the next time you are in a near collision or some other bad situation in life-you will cry out to God. there are no true "athiests " in fox holes. Now, the question is , who is the way to paradise or heaven. If Jesus is the only true forgiveness of sins-and we all need forgiveness because all of us has fallen short of God's standards, then we must seek his forgiveness. If you believe him to just be one of the many ways to heaven-you had better be 100% sure-I can be wrong about believing only in Jesus-because I will get there anyway according to your idea. But if you are wrong and don't seek only Jesus and his forgiveness then there is a heavy price of eternal separation from God and anything good. Think of the worst possible human suffering and Hell is many times worse. jesus talked about Hell twice as much as he did Heaven-we was warning people about it's horrors-Please don't miss his salvation-ask Jesus for his forgiveness for your sins-while there is still time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Ok, First of all, Being Born again is better, because its the only way to heaven. Second, Being Gay is wrong, So I look down at it, I don't know about "Medric", but I don't dislike people for their race. THE BIBLE IS NOT OUTDATED! Its the only thing to go by. Even if you live a good clean life, that does not assure that your going to heaven. OI I wish people would just drop this whole "Jesus' coffin" crap, its hust stupid.. Wow, if you think your going to have no problem getting into "Heaven" with that attitude and outlook on life, you must really think highly of yourself. Somehow, I don't think Medric needs your help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boricuapapi1885 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 after all this talk and no link to the story here is the unveiling of the so called tombs that james cameron found http://youtube.com/watch?v=URcG2AhXkjk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 http://youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM&mode=related&search= Here's a nut job for you. This guy is the Anti-Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edam Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 THE BIBLE IS NOT OUTDATED! Its the only thing to go by. You are either deluded, as most believers are, or you have not read that book in it's entirety, as most believers haven't, and just rely on what the priests, ministers, and pastors have fed you out of context. Watch the following video, in it's entirety, look up the passages to confirm that it's truly what your book says, and then get back to me saying that it is the only thing to go by. http://godisimaginary.com/video2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Ok, First of all, Being Born again is better, because its the only way to heaven. Second, Being Gay is wrong, So I look down at it, I don't know about "Medric", but I don't dislike people for their race. THE BIBLE IS NOT OUTDATED! Its the only thing to go by. Even if you live a good clean life, that does not assure that your going to heaven. OI I wish people would just drop this whole "Jesus' coffin" crap, its hust stupid. Trust me, you wont get anywhere saying this, unless you want to become hated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 You are either deluded, as most believers are, or you have not read that book in it's entirety, as most believers haven't, and just rely on what the priests, ministers, and pastors have fed you out of context. Watch the following video, in it's entirety, look up the passages to confirm that it's truly what your book says, and then get back to me saying that it is the only thing to go by. http://godisimaginary.com/video2.htm If those passages are true, then that is one amazing video. I'm not Christian and don't own a copy of the Bible so I don't know myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Two things for people to look for in the Bible (yes, they are mentioned): Book of Jasher Book of the Wars of the Lord Anyone know anything about the second one, I own a copy of the top one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reale24 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Book of Jasher & Book of the Wars of the Lord, are not in the Bible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medric822 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 They are not books, but they are mentioned in there. Jasher is twice, and Wars in once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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