BigDaddyCool Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 This is to decide who to put on the AL All-Star roster for our All-Timer roster project. Write-in candidates are also welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 how about roberto alomar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPaPa Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 yeah i vote for carew but Robby needs some consideration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Alomar hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 uh, folks, Nap Lajoie had a .426 .463 .643 season. No doubter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 how was he on defense? just curious cuz i never saw the guy play. i'm choosing alomar cuz of his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhall Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 how was he on defense? just curious cuz i never saw the guy play. i'm choosing alomar cuz of his defense. He was a great fielder. And a better all around player than Alomar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 He was a great fielder. And a better all around player than Alomar.Are you kidding? Back then 2nd base was more of an offensive position, where you stuck a relatively slow guy if first was already taken. In 1898, he made 46 errors. Granted, the gloves were a bit smaller and hardly really gloves at all. So, let's go ahead about 15 years, when gloves were widely used and a bit sturdier: From 1912-15, he made 21, 20, 17, 23 errors respectively, and only about 60 DPs yearly. He was not an outstounding fielder to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Let me get this straight, people are voting a player with a .328 .393 .429 line over someone with a .338 .380 .467 line, who played during the deadball era? Are you serious? Lajoie: career rate 2 of 109 Carew: 99 Lajoie had a .426 season. 4 freaking 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Lajoie or Gehringer have to go before Rod Carew. Who the *&** voted for Carew?? Yeah he was good, but compared to those two?? What the hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxbjr Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 i think people are voting for carew because they actually seen him play. kinda hard to rate a player just on stats if you've never seen him play. it's almost like trying to decide wich myth is better, the dragon or the unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 it's almost like trying to decide wich myth is better, the dragon or the unicorn. clearly the dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 i think people are voting for carew because they actually seen him play. kinda hard to rate a player just on stats if you've never seen him play. it's almost like trying to decide wich myth is better, the dragon or the unicorn. Well, that would be true if we were just voting for random names, but we have clear, obvious statistics for how they performed. When we have that, it should be obvious who are the best players. So, If the dragon and unicorn had clearly comparable statistics, it'd be analogous. Choosing Rod Carew is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyCool Posted May 25, 2007 Author Share Posted May 25, 2007 Yeah but look at it this way, these polls are starting to shape up like the actual All-Star voting process. There's always going to be some people out there questioning why certain players got as many votes as they did. In a way it makes good fodder for Baseball Tonight, talk radio... ...even some message boards Anyway, write-in votes at this point: Roberto Alomar: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Well, that would be true if we were just voting for random names, but we have clear, obvious statistics for how they performed. When we have that, it should be obvious who are the best players. So, If the dragon and unicorn had clearly comparable statistics, it'd be analogous. Choosing Rod Carew is just stupid. What the hell is this??? Here I am agreeing 100% with the Red Sox guy. Hahahhaa Seriously....it's damn stupid to have Carew the leader in the second base category just because people saw him play. And I am not hating on Carew because I SAW him play. He was a great hitter! But did he win a gold glove at second? No, he didn't. People are just voting for this guy because he's a recent player. If that's the case, just write in Frank White of Kansas City. Stupid fu(^&()( stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhall Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Are you kidding? Back then 2nd base was more of an offensive position, where you stuck a relatively slow guy if first was already taken. In 1898, he made 46 errors. Granted, the gloves were a bit smaller and hardly really gloves at all. So, let's go ahead about 15 years, when gloves were widely used and a bit sturdier: From 1912-15, he made 21, 20, 17, 23 errors respectively, and only about 60 DPs yearly. He was not an outstounding fielder to say the least. Saying he was a great fielder is probably an exageration on my part. Overall, he's clearly a better 2nd baseman than Alomar though because of his offensive #'s. Especially considering the amount of time he played in the deadball era. WARP3 Lajoie 173.1 Alomar 132.7 OPS + Lajoie 150 Alomear 115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I'm going to be a pioneer in the area of Unicornmetrics. "I was born a unicorn. Could have sworn that you believed in me. Then how come all the other unicorns are dead?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farkwhar Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I have determined by the voting that these voters don't know a whole lot about baseball... Let history speak for itself... Check out the numbers people... Lajoie is by far the best second baseman ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 well that's why everyone only gets one vote. so let's be fair, people are still always entitled to their opinions regardless of the numbers. if they want to vote for their favorite player then let it be. numbers aren't everything, except the final vote tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOET Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 How does Carew get more votes than Lajoi when Lajoie has career stats far superior in batting and slugging. Is it that Lajoi is from the early 1900's That is no reason - stats are stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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