Can somebody PLEASE make CitiField!?

[MetsReyes777]

I know the great stadium modders here don't want to do it yet, but there are so many pictures and virtual tours of CitiField that it's possible to contruct it now, Please, anyone!

[pistonj92]

I know the great stadium modders here don't want to do it yet, but there are so many pictures and virtual tours of CitiField that it's possible to contruct it now, Please, anyone!

I'm sure its because people want to wait for the actual ads that are going to be used and for the finishing touches. But there is a stadium tutorial here.

[fred13]

Its already been requested, plus there is a thread for requesting stadiums. Why start a new thread. Besides all the stadium modders already said they weren't doing this.

[Sean O]

If I'm going to do anything for a new Mets park, it'll be a fantasy design, aka something worthwhile. I don't know if anyone will bother making citifield in MVP, since you could use literally any other retro park and it'll look the same.

[MetsReyes777]

Well, ok then. Geesh.

[Sean O]

Well, ok then. Geesh.

Sorry, but I really hate CitiField, and I am astonished every time a Mets fan praises it. If it were my park, I'd be offended that any design firm had such disdain for both my city and my ballclub to design something so lazy and derivative.

It's an absolute joke to build CitiField in 2007, and New York City deserves better.

[MrDudleyDoWright]

Sorry, but I really hate CitiField, and I am astonished every time a Mets fan praises it. If it were my park, I'd be offended that any design firm had such disdain for both my city and my ballclub to design something so lazy and derivative.

It's an absolute joke to build CitiField in 2007, and New York City deserves better.

I'm not gonna replasce CitiField with Shea Stadium in my game. Keep shea up till 2030

[evil1182]

Sorry, but I really hate CitiField, and I am astonished every time a Mets fan praises it. If it were my park, I'd be offended that any design firm had such disdain for both my city and my ballclub to design something so lazy and derivative.

It's an absolute joke to build CitiField in 2007, and New York City deserves better.

Ouch...I don't know much about architecture, but I think it looks a lot better than Shea does.

[Sean O]

Ouch...I don't know much about architecture, but I think it looks a lot better than Shea does.

This is the problem with America right now, just as MarkB said in the shoutblock a few days ago, "when did 'it could be worse' become an acceptable response to criticism?" Shea sucks, and CitiField sucks, but neither has anything to do with the other. Shea is ready for replacement, and it should've been replaced by a stadium worthy of professional baseball.

There are countless other designs that would've made the park something special for the team. In CitiField, not only are they getting a boring, generic park, but the franchise is positively reveling in 2nd team status. Instead of doing something that could define New York as well as the club for decades to come, they design something as if to purposely avoid taking press from Yankee Stadium.

It's offensive, and that's just in designing an Ebbets Field ripoff. The fact that HoK horribly messed up an Ebbets clone would make it laughable if it weren't so sad.

[hiheat32]

hok made at&t park and i think that is one of the cooler parks in the league, imo

[tebjr]

HOK just clones their other parks. There's nothing original anymore.

[evil1182]

This is the problem with America right now, just as MarkB said in the shoutblock a few days ago, "when did 'it could be worse' become an acceptable response to criticism?" Shea sucks, and CitiField sucks, but neither has anything to do with the other. Shea is ready for replacement, and it should've been replaced by a stadium worthy of professional baseball.

There are countless other designs that would've made the park something special for the team. In CitiField, not only are they getting a boring, generic park, but the franchise is positively reveling in 2nd team status. Instead of doing something that could define New York as well as the club for decades to come, they design something as if to purposely avoid taking press from Yankee Stadium.

It's offensive, and that's just in designing an Ebbets Field ripoff. The fact that HoK horribly messed up an Ebbets clone would make it laughable if it weren't so sad.

What's your thoughts on the new Yankee stadium? It looks similar to Citi field and the old, old Yankee stadium.

What would you like to see in these new stadiums? I think most of these new ballparks coming look disgusting especially the Nationals, but thats just me, I go by looks not the engineering behind it.

[superciuc]

I'll never, and i mean NEVER, replace the old Yankee stadium with the new Yankee stadium. Not a chance.

[NYM]

Sean O, if you could make a change to Citi Field, to make it a great looking stadium, what would it be?

If you were to design a stadium, one that doesn't look like the replica of kauffman you created, what would it look like.

[BigPaPa]

Yankee stadium is a nice stadium but its not gorgeous, its not perfect, it has its issues it made what it is b its history and the players who have won games on that grass. I love Yankee stadium and see as many games as possible their and i love it because f the fans the players and the history not because its a nice looking stadium. If the stadium has seats and a flat field thats good enough for me. I came for the Baseball not for the architecture so give me a good game a good seat and a cold beer and then its a good stadium no matter how "cookie cutter" it is. Shea sucks hard, and yet every time i go i have fun because i get good seats and talk to the people around me about the game and watch baseball. Who really gives a dam about what the stadium looks like as long as your favorite team plays inside it.

[Sean O]

What's your thoughts on the new Yankee stadium? It looks similar to Citi field and the old, old Yankee stadium.

I can't stand New Yankee for a different set of reasons. I think both are really lazy compared to what they could have been, and neither took into account what the teams really mean in contemporary baseball and to their cities. The Yankees are about strength and power. Old Yankee Stadium was built bigger and stronger than any other park, and the team become bigger and stronger than any other team.

So what does HoK do? They build a park with a faux exterior wall, thus immediately bringing to mind weakness, when the park's own walls can't even provide support. Then, they take the upper deck, whose size and proximity to the field has intimidated opponents for 80 years, push it back 60', and split it in 2, eliminating its effect.

What would you like to see in these new stadiums? I think most of these new ballparks coming look disgusting especially the Nationals, but thats just me, I go by looks not the engineering behind it.

Here's a quick list I drafted for another board:

1). 100% sightlines, not a single obstructed inch on the field from any seat.

2). Small foul ground, the easiest way to create an intimate feeling.

3). Clean, unified design concept, so you don't end up with illogical elements strewn about.

4). Contextually appropriate, so a red brick park doesn't get dumped into the desert.

5). Innovative solutions to unique problems. It may be ugly, be at least Miller Park's roof makes logical sense.

6). Easy access to public transportation and highways.

7). One level of luxury / press boxes below the upper deck, max.

. Cantilevers, whenever possible.

9). Logical dimensions. Petco's 11 bends are a joke.

10). A green design, eliminating excess waste.

Architecturally, I find Bauhaus style to make the most sense. Everything in Bauhaus is functional, without waste, and the medium is used to convey the beauty. It is one of the few branches of modernism that transcends those horrible glass and steel corporate boxes seen in every city, or the Brutalist monstrosities that invaded campuses and downtowns in the 60's/70's.

Dodger Stadium and Kauffman work because they are beautiful designs emphasizing form, line and texture instead of being a theme park. HoK hasn't had a unique thought since Camden Yards, which alone was forced upon them by the Orioles. Fortunately, everyone will be deathly sick of Postmodernism in a few scant years, so most retro parks likely won't last much past 2030.

[NYM]

No offense Sean O, but you can't really have a sightline in Flushing Queens. All you will see is a beat up neighborhood with tire shops.

[Sean O]

No offense Sean O, but you can't really have a sightline in Flushing Queens. All you will see is a beat up neighborhood with tire shops.

Sightlines in park design means the view from each seat towards the field. So, it's the exact same at PNC as it is at Veterans Stadium. In a park like Yankee Stadium, the left field corner is completely obscured from 1/4 of the upper deck, at Arlington the RF corner is hidden from 1/3 of the park, and in CitiField, a great deal of the 1B/RF sections won't be able to see anything near the walls.

You can malign my appreciation of Kauffman all you want, but the lower deck design there manages to nearly eliminate blindspots from the field. Same with the original Dodger Stadium and Angel Stadium. It's another thing HoK didn't bother with when they designed their parks.

[meteamo]

Nice insight. Good points. I'm not interested in Citi-Field now as much as I was before. Thanks a lot.

I get the sense that Sean O would do a better job at designing stadiums than some of these firms. Some of these stadium modders can form a company to provide input into these real life designs and it could be called something like MVP Modders, LLC. The MVP could stand for "Most Valuable People" (or Persons).