el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Now that Brett Favre is approaching the all time touchdown record, there is a debate about who the best QB of all time is. To me, it comes down to Elway, Montana, Marino, Favre, Unitas, and Tarkenton. Each Quarterback on this list has their own unique qualities. Joe Montana never had fantastic arm strength, but he was one of the most efficient passers ever and has plenty of rings to show for it. Dan Marino has the gaudy statistical records and is the best pure passer ever, but has no rings to show for it. Tarkenton may have been the most talented of the bunch, but also never won a Super Bowl. Favre is the ultimate gunslinger. Elway had a wide skill set and put the Broncos on his back year after year. Unitas is, historically, regarded as the best ever. Personally, I think it's Elway. He had the cannon arm, underrated mobility, and took to the Broncos places they never belonged. They were never a Super Bowl team before Davis and Shanahan, and Elway put them on his back for the 3 AFC Championships during the 80's. He had playoff success, unlike Marino and Tarkenton, without the pieces around him, unlike Favre and Montana. Who do you think is the best QB in NFL History? (Votes for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not accepted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil1182 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 It's hard decision between Marino Elway and Favre, all the other QB's you posted are great as well, but Favre has the heart and dedication of a champion, I always liked his character on and off the field so my vote is for Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyt Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Yes, Favre is the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 I've kinda had a love/feeling towards Favre, as in I love when John Madden and Chris Berman don't talk about him 24/7 and hate when they do. I'd be a Brett Favre fan if every single commentator didn't talk about him like he was the best thing since sliced bread. Now, this isn't directed at you, but I think the whole "Brett Favre heart" thing is overplayed. Sure, he has the consecutive games played record and is a model of toughness, but it's almost as if it's used to take away from other Quarterbacks. Elway, for the most part, and Tarkenton had terrible offensive lines most of their careers. Until Alex Gibbs came to Denver, the Broncos had a horrible line and Elway spent plenty of time on his back. Same goes for Tarkenton. Elway, Unitas, and Tarkenton put their bodies on the line and played through just as much as Favre. Not to take anything away from Favre, but if you put him on a team with a bad offensive line he doesn't have that record. Also, I think one thing about Favre is that he gets more credit as "Best QB Ever" since he's the only one of the aforementioned QB's who is still active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Marino hands down is the best ever. Favre throws way to many interceptions especially in recent years. Manning will be on that list soon enough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 NFL Passing Records Like I said before, Elway always had a terrible offensive line, so it's not surprising he owns the career record for times sacked. Open Question: What's more important to you to judge a career of a QB, Stats, Rings/Success, or Talent/Overall Importance to Team? Head to Head, Elway takes 2 of 3 from Favre (Two Rings to One, 5 Super Bowl Appearances to Two, Stronger Arm/Better Mobility). Although Elway didn't have 3 MVP Awards, he was the team for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro290190 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Manning is gonna be the best of all time. from that list id rank it 1.Elway 2.Montana 3.Favre 4.Marino 5.Tankerton 6.Unitas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim825 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Tarkenton was my favorite growing up, and he was one of the first QB's to scramble. Most quarterbacks before him would simply drop back and stay in the pocket. Tarkenton was the model for today's scramblers. Unitas is also hard to ignore. He was a 3-time MVP ('59, '64, '67) and led the Colts to back to back NFL Championships ('58 & '59). His record of throwing a touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games (1956 - 1960) is the NFL equivalent to Joe Dimaggio's 56-game hitting streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 What's a quarterback? OK, I'll stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 Unitas is also hard to ignore. That's true. The thing with Quarterbacks like Unitas, Baugh, Jurgensen, etc, from the pre/early merger days is that they often get forgotten because it was a different era. You could almost get into two groups of QB's, Modern and otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerBs Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Elway all the way man, Elway all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinghernandez Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Favre's drive is diminishing as he gets older but it's still there. He wants to complete every pass and isn't afraid to try. Some QBs get tentative after they throw a pick but not him. I love how he gives 100% all the time. He hasn't done it in a while but he throws some of the best cut blocks on reverses haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinghernandez Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 NFL Passing Records Like I said before, Elway always had a terrible offensive line, so it's not surprising he owns the career record for times sacked. Open Question: What's more important to you to judge a career of a QB, Stats, Rings/Success, or Talent/Overall Importance to Team? Head to Head, Elway takes 2 of 3 from Favre (Two Rings to One, 5 Super Bowl Appearances to Two, Stronger Arm/Better Mobility). Although Elway didn't have 3 MVP Awards, he was the team for many years. Elway kinda had a guy named Terrell Davis that helped him a heck of a lot. Favre had... I guess maybe Dorsey Levens? The Packers have never had a run game. Even Ahman Green wasn't that good. It didn't hurt he had Brooks, Chmura and Freeman to throw to, now Driver but Favre has been the Packers since 2000 at least. Take away Brett from them and they might make the playoffs once out of those six years. Thanks to him they recovered from many poor starts to make the playoffs four times. I won't argue that he did have a good line but not recently. Ever since Sapp pulled that bullshit hit on Clifton they have not had a good line, that's why Favre's INT numbers skyrocketed like they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieaces Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I gotta give a nod to Favre, the man has been through tragedy after tragedy in his personal life and still comes to work every Sunday. Elway is a very close second, since he shattered Cleveland's dreams so many times is why I don't put him ahead of Favre...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxbjr Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 All of the quarterbacks in the poll are great and unique in their own way. And in their own team's system they are second to none. However I'd vote for Elway 1 and Farve 1a. Depending on what Favre can do this year, that vote may change. I recall Elway would stand at homeplate at Coors and throw footballs into the outfield stands for warmups LOL :horse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 Elway kinda had a guy named Terrell Davis that helped him a heck of a lot. Favre had... I guess maybe Dorsey Levens? The Packers have never had a run game. Even Ahman Green wasn't that good. It didn't hurt he had Brooks, Chmura and Freeman to throw to, now Driver but Favre has been the Packers since 2000 at least. Take away Brett from them and they might make the playoffs once out of those six years. Thanks to him they recovered from many poor starts to make the playoffs four times. I won't argue that he did have a good line but not recently. Ever since Sapp pulled that bullshit hit on Clifton they have not had a good line, that's why Favre's INT numbers skyrocketed like they did I did mention TD (Don't lecutre a Bronco's fan about Terrell) earlier, but for every year in Elway's career but 3 he did not have a decent supporting cast at all, yet he still took them to 3 Super Bowls. The Brooks/Freeman/Levens/Chmura and White/Butler supporting cast from Green Bay's Super Bowl years were much better than anything Elway had before 1998, the second Super Bowl year. John Elway had one year with a Pro Bowl running back before Terrell Davis. I could go on for hours about how much worse Elway's supporting cast was over Favre's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieaces Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Elway did have weapons.....The 3 amigos Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, Ricky Nattiel and add Clerance Kay at TE, they were pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxbjr Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Remember the Broncos had a great defense while Elway was winning playoff games and super bowls. He rarely had to score 30+ points to win. If he had to score more to win games I'm sure he could have. Mario set all sorts of offensive records but without the great defense to back it up... well you see how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 The Three Amigos were never that good. Go check out all three of their stats, Nattiel had one good year and the rest were never that good. Kay had a combined 3 touchdowns in '86, '87, and '89. Johnson had one 1000 yard season out of all three amigos, while Brooks/Freeman both had 1,000 yard seasons in 1997 (Super Bowl Appearance) with Mark Chmura and Dorsey Levens as Pro Bowlers. The rankings of offense/defense for the Broncos (86, 87, 89) and Green Bay (96, 97) during their Super Bowl years. I mention only 86, 87, and 89 because those were Terrell Davis-less days, and no one can argue that TD didn't carry those teams. Green Bay Offense (Points/Yards): #1/#5 1996, #2/#5 1997 Defense (Points/Yards): #1/#1 1996, #5/#9 1997 Denver Offense (Points/Yards): #6/#17 1986, #4/#2 1987, #9/#16 1989 Defense (Points/Yards): #15/#21 1986, #7/#9 1987, #1/#3 1989 The 1986 Broncos had no business being in the Super Bowl, the 1987 Broncos did, and the 1989 Broncos defense was suberb, but the offense was in the middle of the pack. The two Green Bay teams Favre took to the Super Bowl? Dominant. John Elway had one 1,000 yard rusher, Bobby Humphrey (1135), in his three 80's Super Bowls. Favre had Edgar Bennett/Dorsey Levens (899, 566 yards) as a combo and Dorsey Levens (1435 yards). The Winder/Wilhite and Winder/Lang combos barely got over 1,000 yards in 1986 and 1987. Is there much more to say to prove that John Elway's pre-Shanahan/Davis Super Bowl teams were inferior to Favre's two? Not to mention the fact that Elway went to the Super Bowl 3 more times in his career than Favre? Semi Interesting Fact: Vance Johnson called my house a couple years ago to try and sell insurance, and it was that Vance Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conception Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Honestly, Peyton Manning is going to be known as the best QB ever in not too long. Sure, he's got a great offensive cast around him, but the way he dominates the game is as good as anyone who has ever played, and even with a crappy defense his record is outstanding. And we've all known what he has done statistically up to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinghernandez Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 You have to judge the QB on what he does with what he has. You can't say if he had this or if this had happened. That's not how the NFL works. Teams aren't equal. So what if a guy has good recievers? You could give me the best recievers ever and I'd still have a 20 QB rating. Say Guy A has good recievers and guy B has poor ones. Guy A throws for 200 yards and Guy B throws for 170 yards. Who's better? Guy A gets the nod from me every time. You can say well Guy B had worse recievers, I'll say yeah and he had less yards. End of argument. I'll probably get a lot of flack for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Danny Wuerffel bling bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiheat32 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Roger Thomas Staubach is a Heisman Trophy winner and former American professional football player where he was the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys for most of the 1970s during their reign as America's Team. quarterback of "americas team" not included? what a shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted September 30, 2007 Author Share Posted September 30, 2007 You have to judge the QB on what he does with what he has. You can't say if he had this or if this had happened. That's not how the NFL works. Teams aren't equal. So what if a guy has good recievers? You could give me the best recievers ever and I'd still have a 20 QB rating. Say Guy A has good recievers and guy B has poor ones. Guy A throws for 200 yards and Guy B throws for 170 yards. Who's better? Guy A gets the nod from me every time. You can say well Guy B had worse recievers, I'll say yeah and he had less yards. End of argument. I'll probably get a lot of flack for this one That's a horrible argument. Fran Tarkenton had the talent to be the best of the bunch, but he spent his entire time running from defenders. John Elway put three Broncos teams on his back while Brett Favre had some of the best players in the league ever. Brett Favre may be the best statistical quarterback on the list, but you throw John Elway in with those Green Bay teams and there's 3 or 4 Super Bowls. Not to mention the fact that Favre has had almost a 1,000 more attempts during his career than Elway, who put up some great statistical numbers himself. Does Peyton Manning have 49 Touchdowns without Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? Just look at Tom Brady's numbers from the first three games this year against the first three games from last year to see the kind of difference a player like Randy Moss makes. I will give Favruh this: He is the toughest motherfucker to play the position of Quarterback ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Gonna have to say Montana , but it's a close debate. When I asked a health teacher 7 or 8 years ago who was the best , he said Montana. Favre has been one of the best comeback quarterbacks I have seen , and he's thrown a lot of touchdowns. I thought he was done for 2 seasons ago after they did poorly but he has shown he still has something left. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=3038534 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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