MrDudleyDoWright Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I really dont think so, even if pedro is past his prime, He still can produce. I had a conversation on aim with a Yankee fan, and he's constantly telling me that Pedro is inferior to Andy Pettite carrer wise and current wise. Pedro his last 3 years, has been able to produce (except late 2006), while Pettite has been medicore with Houston. Here is the IM conversation YankesFan4Lyfe (4:27:25 PM): you know if pedro martinez gets injured one more time he will retire DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:01 PM): yea YankesFan4Lyfe (4:27:41 PM): haha hes garbage DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:17 PM): WHAT??!!???!?!?!?!? DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:23 PM): ur kidding right? YankesFan4Lyfe (4:27:55 PM): Now he is DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:28 PM): no YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:01 PM): yes DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:32 PM): no YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:03 PM): yes DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:34 PM): NO YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:05 PM): yes YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:06 PM): YES DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:38 PM): NO YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:09 PM): dude YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:12 PM): hes done DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:44 PM): bro YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:21 PM): cant pitch for s*** DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:55 PM): oooooo DudleyDoWright5 (4:28:59 PM): u got me heated YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:33 PM): hasnt pitched good since 2000 YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:38 PM): you know it YankesFan4Lyfe (4:28:40 PM): i know it DudleyDoWright5 (4:29:18 PM): ur very ignorant my friend YankesFan4Lyfe (4:29:00 PM): im just saying hes past his prime DudleyDoWright5 (4:29:55 PM): He came back late in the season and helped greatley, even though we lost DudleyDoWright5 (4:29:59 PM): ERA 2.57 DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:03 PM): WL 3-1 DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:10 PM): 32 K's YankesFan4Lyfe (4:29:50 PM): he almost went to yankees DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:32 PM): he had a BREAKOUT year when he was a met in 2005 DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:39 PM): 2.82 ERA YankesFan4Lyfe (4:30:16 PM): phs DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:49 PM): 208 K's YankesFan4Lyfe (4:30:29 PM): ugh i could do better DudleyDoWright5 (4:30:59 PM): only 19 homers DudleyDoWright5 (4:31:16 PM): for a guy who is past his prime, thats pretty impressive YankesFan4Lyfe (4:32:29 PM): PEDRO MARTINEZ= no HOF YankesFan4Lyfe (4:32:53 PM): hes gonna walk in allys asking for money DudleyDoWright5 (4:33:31 PM): If Pedro Martinez were to retire today, what would his chances be of being elected to the Hall of Fame? Quite good. My sense of it is that he would be automatic YankesFan4Lyfe (4:33:17 PM): no YankesFan4Lyfe (4:33:25 PM): hes not HOF YankesFan4Lyfe (4:33:41 PM): no YankesFan4Lyfe (4:33:53 PM): due YankesFan4Lyfe (4:33:55 PM): dude YankesFan4Lyfe (4:34:12 PM): ummm pedro is overated past his prime and still has no hair on his armpits Your opinion on this??? I say Pedro is better, Not that Andy Pettite is bad, But Pedro was/ and is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Well... yankee fans have been known to been idiots. This guy's an example. Obviouly, Pettitte comes no where close to the level of dominance Pedro had. However, that doesn't mean that he's not a jerk or, more to the point, that in the immediate future, i.e. next year, he won't be better than Pettitte. The 2.82 ERA was fine, but in the AL it would be something like a 3.25 ERA. Meanwhile, Pettitte had a 2.39 ERA in the NL, about a 3.00 ERA in the AL. Still, historically, Pedro is better. He's a hall of famer, unfortunately, and Pettitte isn't quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ill tell you one thing... pedro isnt "automatic" in the HoF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkmanAnt Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pettitte is still a big game pitcher, staying healthy and producing. Pedro we dont know if he's still a big game pitcher, when was the last time he made 30 starts, and barely has a chance to produce. But I will have to go Pettitte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ill tell you one thing... pedro isnt "automatic" in the HoFWell, he does have a career 161 ERA+... that's a lot, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDudleyDoWright Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 Well... yankee fans have been known to been idiots. This guy's an example. Obviouly, Pettitte comes no where close to the level of dominance Pedro had. However, that doesn't mean that he's not a jerk or, more to the point, that in the immediate future, i.e. next year, he won't be better than Pettitte. The 2.82 ERA was fine, but in the AL it would be something like a 3.25 ERA. Meanwhile, Pettitte had a 2.39 ERA in the NL, about a 3.00 ERA in the AL. Still, historically, Pedro is better. He's a hall of famer, unfortunately, and Pettitte isn't quite. Thank You abc, now i don't mean that Pedro will be automatic in the HOF, But he has a greater chance of getting in, than Pettite. Pettite is good, he's one of my favorites, i just dont think that historically, he's better than Pedro Martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 yea i do think that pedro has a better shot at it than pettite but i dont think either of them are automatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Why were you arguing Pettitte verse Pedro? Aren't there better players to argue with? BTW, who has more WS rings? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro290190 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is first ballot HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportnut1486 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 something to think about, Pettite is 18-7 in the playoffs while Pedro is 5-3.... i am not saying by any means Pettite is better, because simply he is not. Just an Idea to ponder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is the best pitcher of all time. nuf ced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 something to think about, Pettite is 18-7 in the playoffs while Pedro is 5-3.... i am not saying by any means Pettite is better, because simply he is not. Just an Idea to ponderHere's an idea to ponder. Pedro's only had 11 starts in the playoffs, not to mention that wins are possibly the wort possible way of rating a pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ill tell you one thing... pedro isnt "automatic" in the HoF - Highest career winning percentage for pitchers with over 200 wins (.692) - Lowest WHIP of any starter (1.03) - 3 Cy Young Awards - Top 3 in strikeouts to walk ratio - He was lights out in 6 of the 7 years with Boston (ERA under 2.40 in 5 of those 7 years) And add to it his game 3 performance against the Cards in the "curse breaking" WS and you got yourself a pitcher who is an automatic for the HoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philthepat Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ill tell you one thing... pedro isnt "automatic" in the HoF Um yes he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgi Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 andy is good, pedro is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 - Highest career winning percentage for pitchers with over 200 wins (.692) - Lowest WHIP of any starter (1.03) - 3 Cy Young Awards - Top 3 in strikeouts to walk ratio - He was lights out in 6 of the 7 years with Boston (ERA under 2.40 in 5 of those 7 years) And add to it his game 3 performance against the Cards in the "curse breaking" WS and you got yourself a pitcher who is an automatic for the HoF. HoF committee doesn't look at such stats. No point in pointing out those stats and saying he's HoFer cuz of them when they have no correlation to HoF status. HoF committee is full of idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuanshuowu Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 as a yankee fan....i like pettitte more. but, i think pedro is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I don't know who the hell you were talking to on AIM but it sure as hell wasn't me. I could care less who is a better pitcher now. Pedro's over in the National League now and Pettitte doesn't know what the *&*( he wants to do for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Um yes he is... yep Pedro is the best pitcher of all time. nuf ced. and yep. the guy's arguably the best pitcher of all time. and i'm not talking now. have you guys all lost your minds and forgotten how good he was before his injuries? the guy was absolutely dominant in the most lopsided hitter's era. you want to rate him on his abilities on the downside of his career go ahead, but that's not what made him a future HOF'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superciuc Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is an ***hole, but sure as hell, he's that damn good. Pettite is good, but Martinez is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Again: HoF committee are idiots. And, atleast to me, he doesn't seem to be that liked by the media. He has 3000 k's going for him, but only 201 wins atm, and Bert Blyleven is living proof 3000 k's won't automatically get you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 so you guys are sayin pedro is > than ryan? along with walter johnson, sandy koufax, cy young, and steve carlton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is the best pitcher of all time. nuf ced. I would put him top 5 for sure, not sure about the best though. I don't think its possible to name the one best pitcher of all time, there are so many great ones to consider. But like I said, top 5 for sure, if not top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is an ***hole, but sure as hell, he's that damn good. Pettite is good, but Martinez is great. How is Pedro an asshole? The guy is always messing around and having fun. I would love to have him. And don't bother arguing the whole thing with Don Zimmer. Zimmer went at him fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwinginSoriano Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Pedro is the best pitcher of all time. nuf ced. By far was more dominating than the rest of the league in his prime. During years where starting pitching was near non-existent Pedro was unbelievable, but he broke down big time. Lefty Grove had a full career, and was very very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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