DannyMac910 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Who do you think is the best shortstop in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgbaseball Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Hanley Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyMac910 Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 oops forgot about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 You want to know who the best shortstop in the league is and you haven't even put the top 3 in the league in this poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Hanley Ramirez Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyMac910 Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 hes there now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Wrong. Who is more exciting? We all know who that is. Jose Hustle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyMac910 Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 DJ IS the best hitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Troy Tulowitzki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 is it me or is he posting things that have been brought up a million and one times before. canned spam doesn't taste good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiheat32 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 michael young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFallenPhoenix Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Hanley Ramirez is the best hitting shortstop in the game right now, but his defense (like Derek Jeter's) leaves much to be desired. I like Troy Tulowitzki a lot--if he can improve his offense, damn, he's going to be one Hell of a two-way player. Jose Reyes is a pretty good all-around shortstop, though...possibly. Probabilistic Model of Range has historically been really unkind to his defense, but the Fielding Bible's Plus/Minus is a lot nicer to him. I don't really know what to make of his defense, to be honest...his hitting/on base ability and his speed are already well-documented. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the choices presented in this poll in addition to Troy, though Jeter's on the decline, so I would imagine that in one or two years he's going to slip from the discussion of best shortstops, particularly when he finally moves to another position (though that will sap most of his value, since the point is he's a really good offensive shortstop)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Hanley, no doubt. Then probably Rollins, Jeter, Tulo, Reyes, Young, then Cabrera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I like Troy Tulowitzki a lot--if he can improve his offense, damn, he's going to be one Hell of a two-way player. .291 33-2B 24 HR 99 RBI is not good enough, I remember when you were happy if you SS could hit better than your starting pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro290190 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nomar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nomar.when was the last time nomar played short?......a century ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFallenPhoenix Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Troy's overall line is pretty good, but his home/away splits aren't very pretty, kraw; he also had a pretty high BABIP at Coors (.370). Again, I have no problem putting him in the top three or four shortstops right now; that's how much I like his defense, and I admit that he certainly hits a little better than the average shortstop. But this is an age where offensive totals are inflated across the board relative the past, so it's not necessarily enough for a good shortstop to hit better than your starting pitcher. The point, kraw, is that if Troy can improve his offense relative to the top shortstops next year, then I would have no problem crowning him unquestionably the best shortstop in the league. Right now, it's really too close for me to call, which is why I said you can't really go wrong with any choice (except maybe Jeter; everything he can do [offense], Hanley basically does better right now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryrat Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Jeter over Reyes?? Really. Fine... Juan Uribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philthepat Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Where's Lugo? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :biglaff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Has the list changed since I last saw a few minutes ago? Several shortstops are missing from the list. I'm surprised JR isn't winning ... especially since he won the MVP and so forth. I thought he was supposed to be good. Since someone said Nomar, I'll say A-Rod. <<< But, from the list, I voted for Hanley ... I'd prefer his offense and Jose's defense and base running (though his d wasn't as great this past year) ~~~~~~~ EDIT ~~~~~~~~ ESPN's 2002 & 2001 best SS list: http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2002/ssrankings.html .. I guess I was right with A-Rod being the best :biglaff: 2007 Shortstops - Batting RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Edgar Renteria ATL 494 87 164 30 1 12 57 11 2 46 77 .332 .390 .470 .860 2 Hanley Ramirez FLA 639 125 212 48 6 29 81 51 14 52 95 .332 .386 .562 .948 3 Derek Jeter NYY 639 102 206 39 4 12 73 15 8 56 100 .322 .388 .452 .840 4 Michael Young TEX 639 80 201 37 1 9 94 13 3 47 107 .315 .366 .418 .783 5 Orlando Cabrera LAA 638 101 192 35 1 8 86 20 4 44 64 .301 .345 .397 .742 6 Carlos Guillen DET 564 86 167 35 9 21 102 13 8 55 93 .296 .357 .502 .859 7 Jimmy Rollins PHI 716 139 212 38 20 30 94 41 6 49 85 .296 .344 .531 .875 8 Miguel Tejada BAL 514 72 152 19 1 18 81 2 1 41 55 .296 .357 .442 .799 9 Jack Wilson PIT 477 67 141 29 2 12 56 2 5 38 46 .296 .350 .440 .791 10 Troy Tulowitzki COL 609 104 177 33 5 24 99 7 6 57 130 .291 .359 .479 .838 2007 Shortstops - Fielding RK NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR 1 Troy Tulowitzki, Col 155 155 1375.0 834 262 561 11 114 .987 5.39 .866 2 Omar Vizquel, SF 143 136 1219.1 651 198 444 9 90 .986 4.74 .897 3 Jimmy Rollins, Phi 162 162 1441.1 717 227 479 11 110 .985 4.41 .824 4 Khalil Greene, SD 153 153 1396.1 690 218 461 11 98 .984 4.38 .855 5 Orlando Cabrera, LAA 153 153 1331.2 665 239 415 11 104 .983 4.42 .833 6 Jack Wilson, Pit 131 131 1142.0 640 177 452 11 112 .983 4.96 .810 7 Jose Reyes, NYM 160 160 1431.1 660 203 445 12 88 .982 4.07 .863 8 J.J. Hardy, Mil 149 145 1272.2 578 168 397 13 83 .978 4.00 .797 9 Edgar Renteria, Atl 121 121 1019.1 480 147 322 11 71 .977 4.14 .800 10 Juan Uribe, CWS 150 147 1305.1 705 245 443 17 102 .976 4.74 .828 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Troy's overall line is pretty good, but his home/away splits aren't very pretty, kraw; he also had a pretty high BABIP at Coors (.370). Again, I have no problem putting him in the top three or four shortstops right now; that's how much I like his defense, and I admit that he certainly hits a little better than the average shortstop. But this is an age where offensive totals are inflated across the board relative the past, so it's not necessarily enough for a good shortstop to hit better than your starting pitcher. The point, kraw, is that if Troy can improve his offense relative to the top shortstops next year, then I would have no problem crowning him unquestionably the best shortstop in the league. Right now, it's really too close for me to call, which is why I said you can't really go wrong with any choice (except maybe Jeter; everything he can do [offense], Hanley basically does better right now). Yeah. Hanley plays in one of the worst RH hitting ballparks in the majors. Imagine if he played in Coors... Troy was tied-14th in GPA (And that's purely a bat-standpoint, doesn't include SB and such). Not saying that that isn't good, but it's far from upper echelon of the hitters, just barely above average (Ofcoarse, he's also the top fielder by far). Hanley defense was a lot better last year too. The loss of Perry Hill obviously hurt. It'll be really interesting to see how he does next year. I mean, he was still sub-par last year (-6), but he was even worse than Jeter this year. And the main aspect that was touted from him as a minor leaguer was his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 uhh... what about ryan theriot ? realisticly... id go with jroll. i mean he did win the mvp and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 uhh... what about ryan theriot ? realisticly... id go with jroll. i mean he did win the mvp and allIts true that the MVP award winner is arguably the best player in the league, but in this case that is not true. Rollins is definitely a good shortstop no doubt but Hanley Ramirez to me is by far the best SS in either league at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 what about Yuniesky Betancourt he was several weeks in espn highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 what about Yuniesky Betancourt he was several weeks in espn highlights A hitter with a career .308 OBP just can't be the best shortstop in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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