ChicagoCubs720 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Again, I admit to causing a disturbance, why don't you... Or I can provide numerous links, if needed? it's ok Kraw, he already apologized http://www.eamods.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=1239.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 the problem is you do not understand the difference you THE big bad administrator represent this site, I do not. Your actions, the ones you always later apologize for is bringing the site down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 it's ok Kraw, he already apologized http://www.eamods.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=1239.html Not like that was the 1st time or the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoCubs720 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 oh wait, that thread is from 8 months ago To everyone else, I plan on working on my "forum ettiquette". I plan on changing my attitude, when moderating the message board. I used to be very approachable, and I would like that distinction back. I don't want problems with anyone, anymore. I just want a quiet "internet" existence. Anyway, I hope my apologies are a step towards the healing process. I promise you will get no grief from me on my end anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I'm out for about an hour or so, but you make your list then after your done see if I was an admin here at the time any of it took place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 it's ok Kraw, he already apologized http://www.eamods.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=1239.html Wow man, didn't take long for you to revert back to yuor old ways...guess those PMs were bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 it's ok Kraw, he already apologized You stay out of it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I'm out for about an hour or so, but you make your list then after your done see if I was an admin here at the time any of it took place Bye now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 oh wait, that thread is from 8 months ago Again, you are warned for the last time. I won't take any *(*& from you. NOT YOU. Not now or ever. All you are doing is adding more fuel to the fire. Get off topic with this crap right now and get it right back on track to what this thread is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 It's 2008, the thread's unlocked....FLAME AWAY, not like I am going to be a staff member for much longer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPaPa Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 it doesnt matter this thread lost is purpose long ago if you ask em you should just delete it the good intent KC had in createing has been lost on you two grown *** men argueing like a couple a school boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You can blame ChicagoCubs720 for this because of how he kept this going. Now go back to the shoutbox over there little boy and insult me again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Cubs720 is to blame for this whole flame thread? I think that statement is a little inaccurate. Cubs720 is a highly valued member of both sites and has done a lot for mvp modding. I respect what he says a lot more than most members and staff on this site. Perhaps you feel that as it is too difficult to attack krawhitham, you go after someone you perceive as weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoCubs720 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You can blame ChicagoCubs720 for this because of how he kept this going. Now go back to the shoutbox over there little boy and insult me again! what the heck are you talking about? little boy? why am I to blame for all of this? you'll have to excuse me for a second, the FBI is on the line. Apparently I've killed JFK and sunk the Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Cubs720 is to blame for this whole flame thread? I think that statement is a little inaccurate. Cubs720 is a highly valued member of both sites and has done a lot for mvp modding. I respect what he says a lot more than most members and staff on this site. Perhaps you feel that as it is too difficult to attack krawhitham, you go after someone you perceive as weaker. Hory, will you please for the first time in all your time here stay out of it? Please? I singled him out because he twice had to bring things up about DJ that were not needed. That's why. And I'm sure you respect him a lot more than some people here because he does his best to put down the site administrators here. And don't tell me he doesn't because I've read it myself. And I do not attack Kraw because I talk things out with him via PM. It has been years since Kraw and I attacked each other and I want to keep it that way. I listen to him and he listens to me. This kid is another story. He's a troublemaker. Again, this is getting this topic off track. Enough of it. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoCubs720 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hory, will you please for the first time in all your time here stay out of it? Please? I singled him out because he twice had to bring things up about DJ that were not needed. That's why. And I'm sure you respect him a lot more than some people here because he does his best to put down the site administrators here. And don't tell me he doesn't because I've read it myself. And I do not attack Kraw because I talk things out with him via PM. It has been years since Kraw and I attacked each other and I want to keep it that way. I listen to him and he listens to me. This kid is another story. He's a troublemaker. Again, this is getting this topic off track. Enough of it. Please. hmm, here's an idea: send the punk kid a PM, instead of ripping on him out here now maybe things can get back on track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I love you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You stay out of it right now. If you want people to stay out of it, then you guys should stop bickering in the public forum. The most annoying thing I've encountered with some particular moderator is their propensity for growling like an attack dog at posters whose opinions they don't want to hear. CC720 may be a rabble rouser, I don't know. But it's happened to me a few times in instances where I was trying to make peace, or help others calmly present their side of what I saw as a valid argument. I'm not a rabble rouser, and it wasn't appreciated. And yes, I fully expect Y4L to respond with, "You stay out of it right now," to me too. To respond to the greater question: As I see it, if this site is only about modding a baseball game that we collectively enjoy, then if it shut down and went the way of the dodo, it wouldn't be much of a loss. But I think others, like myself, use the site to cultivate conversations with like-minded people, to build e-relationships, to take part in a community. There was a stretch of around six months where I didn't even play the game, but I still checked in daily to see what SeanO and UncleMo were posting. I suspect that even modders who say they only mod to make their own games better are seeking a sort of personal enrichment by performing their craft and releasing their work. The actual MVPMods/EAMods sites as entities in and of themselves aren't as important as you all suspect. The game isn't important. If all of our copies of MVP05 (and 04 for those of you still behind the times) suddenly melted today, how many people would still be posting on the site a year from now? I'd wager that there would still be quite a few. What's important, I think, is the community. In my observation, the problems lately (and perhaps always) have come from a sense of self-importance that many have developed about their role in the site, whether it be as a modder, an admin, a resident grump modder who loves Bender, or a smart-*** with a Roy O-vatar. But in the grand scheme of things, not much of what we does here matters. KC's uni updates won't help him get into college, SeanO's political and SABRmetric arguments won't get him a job on CNN or ESPN, Timay's work in carcinogen studies won't lead to a cure for cancer, and maybe 30 people will ever download my Cecil Cooper cyberface if I'm lucky. The egos clashing here were built up in a very limited frame, based on abilities to change things in a video game that none of us have the actual right to change, or the moderation of boards related to discussion of such changes. I won't be a hypocrite -- I pumped a silent fist in the air the time that Hory said I was his favorite poster (after I convinced myself that he wasn't using a script that put in the name of whatever user was reading the post -- if it turns out in the end that he was, I may shed a few tears). However, sometimes I get the feeling that the reason there are so many over-inflated egos here (And probably on every message board on the internet. Now that I think about it, also in academia) is because folks have little to claim in their real, non-cyber lives as important or worthwhile. In essence, the problems here will always exist while everyone involved has this specialized sense of self-importance. Cynic that I am, I don't see it changing much, but perhaps if we keep the fighting to PMs, the bans to a minimum, and are all willing to occasionally admit that we have been wrong, we can find an equilibrium that's satisfactory? Here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Let me say this, and then we can end it. I understand where Kraw is coming from....WHAT YOU SAY???? I think this argument would be perceived differently, if I wasn't a staff member. If it was just to members have a heated debate, then that would be all it was. But because I am in a position of authority, it looks like I am trying to pull rank. ChicagoCubs720, check your pms, I understand why you backed Kraw up, but there was no need to haul out the apology thread, that was just emberassing. Sorry about the spelling. Anyway, please put this thread back on track, I was one of the reasons it got derailed. There was no need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I love you all. So do I. Some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You guys post too quickly! Now no one is going to read my diatribe. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I did. Nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPaPa Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 If you want people to stay out of it, then you guys should stop bickering in the public forum. The most annoying thing I've encountered with some particular moderator is their propensity for growling like an attack dog at posters whose opinions they don't want to hear. CC720 may be a rabble rouser, I don't know. But it's happened to me a few times in instances where I was trying to make peace, or help others calmly present their side of what I saw as a valid argument. I'm not a rabble rouser, and it wasn't appreciated. And yes, I fully expect Y4L to respond with, "You stay out of it right now," to me too. To respond to the greater question: As I see it, if this site is only about modding a baseball game that we collectively enjoy, then if it shut down and went the way of the dodo, it wouldn't be much of a loss. But I think others, like myself, use the site to cultivate conversations with like-minded people, to build e-relationships, to take part in a community. There was a stretch of around six months where I didn't even play the game, but I still checked in daily to see what SeanO and UncleMo were posting. I suspect that even modders who say they only mod to make their own games better are seeking a sort of personal enrichment by performing their craft and releasing their work. The actual MVPMods/EAMods sites as entities in and of themselves aren't as important as you all suspect. The game isn't important. If all of our copies of MVP05 (and 04 for those of you still behind the times) suddenly melted today, how many people would still be posting on the site a year from now? I'd wager that there would still be quite a few. What's important, I think, is the community. In my observation, the problems lately (and perhaps always) have come from a sense of self-importance that many have developed about their role in the site, whether it be as a modder, an admin, a resident grump modder who loves Bender, or a smart-*** with a Roy O-vatar. But in the grand scheme of things, not much of what we does here matters. KC's uni updates won't help him get into college, SeanO's political and SABRmetric arguments won't get him a job on CNN or ESPN, Timay's work in carcinogen studies won't lead to a cure for cancer, and maybe 30 people will ever download my Cecil Cooper cyberface if I'm lucky. The egos clashing here were built up in a very limited frame, based on abilities to change things in a video game that none of us have the actual right to change, or the moderation of boards related to discussion of such changes. I won't be a hypocrite -- I pumped a silent fist in the air the time that Hory said I was his favorite poster (after I convinced myself that he wasn't using a script that put in the name of whatever user was reading the post -- if it turns out in the end that he was, I may shed a few tears). However, sometimes I get the feeling that the reason there are so many over-inflated egos here (And probably on every message board on the internet. Now that I think about it, also in academia) is because folks have little to claim in their real, non-cyber lives as important or worthwhile. In essence, the problems here will always exist while everyone involved has this specialized sense of self-importance. Cynic that I am, I don't see it changing much, but perhaps if we keep the fighting to PMs, the bans to a minimum, and are all willing to occasionally admit that we have been wrong, we can find an equilibrium that's satisfactory? Here's hoping. there now itll be up for a littlew longer though personally id like to see the last like 5 pages of this thread disapear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trues Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nice post AstroEric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 And if this does happen, you guys out there will look at us as d**kheads and a-holes for doing just that. As for your name mentioned on this site, I don't think anyone goes out of their way to mention it because it's a "hot" topic to talk about. Although I do recall that one guy a few days ago asked who you were and I told them you were a member a few years ago and that was that. Why your name was brought up then I don't know. But trust me, they won't go out of their way to talk about you. I also have other things to add about this thread that I will not put in here just yet. I will wait until tomorrow when I gather my thoughts. I was talking to him on aim. When i asked him why he was banned he told me to ask at mvpmods because they will tell you Yesterday shoutbox eamods you any of that sound familiar that wasn't a site thing i was trying to bring up, thats a personal vendetta i have with the other user i was arguing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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