Viceman2004 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Well i just watched the last game of the 2004 blue jays season...and i cant help but wonder. Will he Jays see Delgado next year? In my opinion, the chances are pretty slim. Delgado has been with the team since he was 16 years. We would be loosing a great vetran that provides a lot of leadership. He holds most of the offensive franchise records. Who would replace him next year? Does Eric Crozier have what it takes? We can only hope he stays. We will find out in a few weeks... Delgado is one of my favorite players...i cant picture him in another jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 they wanted to get rid of him this year, unload his salary but it's huge and no one wanted it, much the same as Manny's. but no, the Jays are starting from scratch next season, with Rios, Gross, Adams, and Wells will be there all star player. Delgado's got about a 1% chance of staying in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs-Blew-It-Again Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 If Carlos Delgado does leave Toronto look for Vernon Wells to establish himself as the new offensive leader of the Blue Jays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_is_theman Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 he ill be missed by all blue jays fans to bad he did not get one last at bat during the 9th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceman2004 Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 I guess your right. On the flip side, Wells, Gross, Rios, Johnson, and Cattelantto(sp) will fill the outfield. I really think R. Adams is a better SS than Gomez and Woodward. He has more HRs than them and he only has payed Septemer. Also, Quiroz and Crozier are developing well. I belive Halladay, Lilly and Bush will shine in 2005. I guess id be gravy if Delgado stays, and i pray that he DOES NOT go to New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaplerisking Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 New York won't take him, they already have 3 first basemen, and Delgado would put even the Yankees over the top in the salary department. I'd look for him to go to a young, up-and-coming team that is willing to spend, such as the Tigers of the D-rays. If not one of those types of teams, maybe the Mariners, since they will be looking to bounce back from this awful year, and Delgado would help out a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs-Blew-It-Again Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Begin the purging of the woeful cubs by trading Derrek Lee for Carlos Delgado. Lee's batting average went from a respectable .295 to a dismal .278. His fielding has been suspect at times during this year, resulting in him not winning back-to-back Gold Gloves. Granted Lee did have close to 40 doubles, over 30 home runs, and close to 100 RBIs but Delgado can easily hit more homeruns and drive in more runs and score more runs than Lee. Basically, I'll take almost anyone over Lee who choked so many times when it counted that he was one of the culprit in the Cubs pathetic offense down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 0 chance of him ending up in New York. between the God Bless America thing he does and his salary would inflate the yankees cap to far beyond the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Delgado is as good as gone... and who blames him? I surely don't. The Boo Jayz haven't contended since 1993... why should he continue to wait around during the rebuilding process? It's over. Look for Delgado to follow Escobar to Anaheim... they need a first baseman and Delgado needs to get paid! JP has insisted that 2005 is the year the Jayz will make a run for the playoffs and that is only because Delgado's salary will be used to fill other holes. However, the Jayz will make Delgado a low-ball offer similar to the rumoured $21 million over 3 years that has been reported... Then JP can say he tried and Delgado will look like the sellout. Regardless, it's sad... Anyone think Joe Carter still has a glove? Call him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 all i can say is that if Delgado does migrate to the West Coast and settle in Anaheim, the American leauge has their best team. plain and simple, Anaheim will win the 'ship if Carlos makes his way to Anaheim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernetic Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 well I've heard things that no American team would want him cuz of his anti-American attitude so they say anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 oh if the yankees got him, i still wouldn't like him. but i can't take away from his ability to smash the ball when he steps in the box. i'll reiterate one of my previous statements. "As a player, he's great. As a person, he sucks." plain and simple, not word for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceman2004 Posted October 4, 2004 Author Share Posted October 4, 2004 LA is a possibility. Appearently, when Shawn Green was in Toronto, they were good friends. (this was before Hee-Seop Choi came). LA needed a 1B at that time.... Another posibility (in my mind) would be him going to Anahiem as someone mentioned before. Like I said before, only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowles Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 0 chance of him ending up in New York. between the God Bless America thing he does and his salary would inflate the yankees cap to far beyond the limit. Uh, I'm pretty sure there are two or three members of the Yankees who also don't stay out for GBA, including Brett Prinz. If the difference between winning was a productive yet controversial players and and a costly, overrated sack like Giambi, I don't think the Yanks would put it past them to make a go of it. David Wells, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 can't say i've seen yankee players not stand up. and i watch every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowles Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 "As a player, he's great. As a person, he sucks." plain and simple, not word for word. Why? Cause he gave a million dollars to charity the last game of this year? Cause he raises millions for kids in his home country? Cause he's a main contributor to a dozen Toronto charities for sick kids? Or because he's the Roberto Clemento nominee for the Jays (however, since that loathing Mike Mussina, who openly complained because he had to wait 20 mins., like everyone else, for a game verses Toronto to start while they honoured the broadcasting ironman Tom Cheek, was also nominated, take it for what it's worth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 i take it you don't live in NY. when you've seen what happened when those al-queda, osama worshipers drove planes into a national landmark, and this jerkoff can't get off his *** for a minute and honor the country he lives in, and he doesn't beleive in the reason we're fighting (for GOD knows what reason) i'm sorry but that pisses me off, just a tad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceman2004 Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Delgado lives in Puerto Rico and has a home in Toronto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowles Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 i take it you don't live in NY. when you've seen what happened when those al-queda, osama worshipers drove planes into a national landmark, and this jerkoff can't get off his *** for a minute and honor the country he lives in, and he doesn't beleive in the reason we're fighting (for GOD knows what reason) i'm sorry but that pisses me off, just a tad. a. delgado doesn't live in continental america; he lives in peutro rico. he is NOT protesting anything from 9/11, which you have so nicely linked with Iraq (been watching too much CNN, most likely). The main reason for his opposition is that, and I quote: "Delgado is from Puerto Rico and has campaigned for years to end the U.S. Navy's presence in Vieques, an island that had been a weapons testing ground for sixty years. The Navy recently left Vieques, but it has also left behind an area with 50% unemployment, abnormally high cancer rates, and deep poverty." and he's not the only baseball player against the war. From NewCenter: "Together with singer Ricky Martin and boxer Felix Trinidad, [he] took out full-page advertisements about Vieques in The New York Times and Washington Post. The full page ad included the names of fellow major league all stars Roberto Alomar, Juan González, and Iván ‘Pudge’ Rodríguez. Boxers John Ruiz and Félix 'Tito' Trinidad and golfer Chichi Rodríguez also signed on. The secondary reason he is fighting, and I am quoting again: The Iraq war "is a stupid war." Please, PLEASE, give me some reason to believe that it is not, how these people had anything to do with 9/11, or with terrorism in America, or with WMD. Delgado, never, NEVER, opposed Afghanistan. For you to try and link them together is appaling and revisionist theory. b. I have seen what happened in America; the entire world did, and it is a black day that will live in the infamy of us all; I live in Canada, and 55 Canadians died as well that day. Did you know that? c. Who are you to get mad at someone else's beliefs, especially someone who is doing them without violence, without showmanship and without saying a word? Do you hate Ghandi? How can you live in a country where freedom is preached, and then try your best to supress everyone that doesn't think the same way? d. Finally, and this is important, God Bless America is not an official song of the United States; it is a song, plain and simple, like "Thriller" or "Cotton Eyed-Joe". I appreciate why you're mad, but your facts are incredibly weak and your motives are without just. Maybe a little more research on the matter would make things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowles Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 i take it you don't live in NY. when you've seen what happened when those al-queda, osama worshipers drove planes into a national landmark, and this jerkoff can't get off his *** for a minute and honor the country he lives in, and he doesn't beleive in the reason we're fighting (for GOD knows what reason) i'm sorry but that pisses me off, just a tad. If you really want to get pissed off though; get pissed off at George Bush, who signed over the lives of 1,100 of your country's bravest young men and women to a country having no involvement with 9/11, people who are dead because of miscalculations, underestimations of the enemy and of political showmanship and political lies. Why aren't you pissed off that 1,100 body bags, with your countrymen and countrywomen are senselessly coming home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseknucks Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 all i read was the last line cause that's far too much effort for a post. the last line states about getting my facts straight. i didn't expect to have you bring up documentations just to prove me wrong. you need to think of other things to do with your time. i do this because i have too much time on my hands, but never would i think about typing that much out to aruge something so inane. i'm entitled to my opinion. i hate the jerk and if i can't say that and why i hate him, than i guess this isn't america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowles Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 i'm entitled to my opinion. i hate the jerk and if i can't say that and why i hate him, than i guess this isn't america. I never said you couldn't have an opinion; I take issue with you spewing off unmitigated hate of someone else based on lies and fallacies. You never explained why, you just pulled some blown-out-of-proportion half-truth BS from a New York newspaper and used it to try and hate someone that isn't, and never will be, a precious New York Yankee. I could have made up information, but unlike some people who believe that Jeter is "clutch", facts and information made my post; the simple fact is that you're wrong. And this isn't America. It's a message board for the everyone in the world to use. Idiot. you need to think of other things to do with your time. You have 441 posts; I now have 12, and a 4 month head start on you. I think there's a delicious irony that's being lost on you here. You've been served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuPeRcHiLd Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I screwed up and posted this in a new topic: No way is Carlos going to the NL. He'd have to learn a whole new set of pitchers AND he needs to have a DH possiblity. Anaheim seems like a good fit. Maybe Detroit. I still think that there's a chance for him to stay in Toronto. If they offered him a slightly longer deal for about 7 mil a year, it could happen. We'll see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 snowles... you're right on the money. thank you for setting the record straight and outlining the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldensuitcase Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Look for Delgado to follow Escobar to Anaheim... they need a first baseman and Delgado needs to get paid! Doubt it. The Angels are not going to dip $10million when they have a rookie who they are so high on in Casey Kotchman. Kotchman has hit .333, .350, .368 and is coming out of AAA hitting .372. He has great plate presence and drives in runs while playing good defense. I know I am biased, but the chances of him landing on the Mets are not bad. Think about this. The Mets will trade Floyd leaving them without a power lefty bat. The Mets are in dire need of a true first baseman with power. Piazza was a much better catcher than first baseman. Plus, the Mets have more money to spend next year so ya never know. So wouldnt it be logical for the Mets to go after someone who is A) a first baseman a lefty c) a power hitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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