Alluba_cards Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Im a huge Cardinals fan, and i think they got the good end of the deal, what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 This was already being discussed in the Official Cardinals thread (HERE) and in its own thread (HERE). ...but if you really just wanted the poll, alright... As for answering your question: Now that I've found out that STL send Rolen to TOR and TOR send Glaus *and* cash (albeit less than $2M), it seems like the Cards really got the upper hand on TOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HFLR Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Blue Jays since Glaus is in steroids allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stEdfuNk Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 http://www.mvpmods.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=33049.html ohp raptor beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Blue Jays since Glaus is in steroids allegations. ... Glaus also brings some baggage: according to a report in Sports Illustrated, he received shipments of nandrolone and testosterone in 2003 and 2004; both substances were on MLB's banned list at the time. But after an investigation, the Commissioner's Office announced there was "insufficient evidence" to warrant discipline of Glaus. The Cardinals aren't exactly averse to doing business with players who have used performance-enhancing drugs. They signed pitchers Ryan Franklin and Troy Cate after each flunked the MLB steroids test, so why would anyone expect the Cardinals to become anti-juice crusaders now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 It seems to me that people outside of St. Louis still have a much higher opinion of Scott Rolen than people INSIDE St. Louis, who have been forced to watch his painful decline and outright refusal to act like an adult for the past 2 to 3 seasons. I always loved Rolen, and I still cheered for and supported him, through his injuries, but his idiotic behavior really turned me (and many other St. Louisans) off to him in the '06 postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alluba_cards Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 True but he has defense, but is injured more than glaus, and i think that was astroturf and Glaus is much better offense. We have defense in Pujols,Ankiel,Ryan. We have offense, bu Glaus might help turning St Louis back around. And we're still waiting to have it offically announce as completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred13 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 As several articles state, for the teams, the trade is a wash, but both players are happy with the change of scenery. Jays get much needed defensive help at 3rd now that Eck is at SS, and Rolen gets to ditch La Russa. Glaus on the other hand, gets to play on natural grass and can provide protection for Pujols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogar84 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 OMG, can spring training start already so we don't have to discuss things like this trade. I'm dying over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 This whole deal sickens me. The Jays are dead to me....dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 DJ - you no likey Rolen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc006 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Me thinks that DJ would likey Glaus and 2 million more than Rolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 yeah now the jays are stuck with two cardinals... one whos usually injury prone and another who throws like a girl. cardinals definitely got the better deal on this one... glaus is a beast along with 2 mill wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alluba_cards Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 That gives us more offense and with Glaus getting 1 million less and us recieving 3 million we get some money. I hope we sign one more pitcher. I like Bartolo Colon. Since his coming from a injury he will be cheaper. And Jogar, i feel the same way, but until them, we do need to talk some baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 The Jays are a farce. Riccardi has proven that he is not a good GM, yet there he is, still running this team because he worked under Billy Beane. A couple of years ago I had high hopes for this team. No more. I cannot root for a team, whose ownership and front office staff are constantly making this team worse. What does this trade do for us?????? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 OH OH!! The Jays get to reel in the profits of the new Rolen jerseys at the Jays shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieThaPujols Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Scott Rolen has definitely been the better player over the careers of these two players. With that said, Rolen appears to have a degenerative shoulder problem -- one that will probably prevent him from ever getting his power stroke back. At this point in his career, he doesn't really have much power -- not enough to warrant playing third. Of course, he also happens to be the best third baseman of this generation, so he's not moving anywhere. On the surface, Glaus looks pretty superior to Rolen at this point moving forward, but Rolen's tremendous defense makes it a lot closer than I'm giving credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 What does this trade do for us?????? Increase IF defense while potentially not costing anything offensively? Rolen is just a year removed from an .887 OPS, an OPS Glaus hasn't put up since 2004. Not arguing that Rolen > Glaus offensively, Glaus has been a lot more consistent the past few years, but Rolen has the potential to put up higher numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Rolen has the potential to put up higher numbers. St. Louisans have been saying that since he collided with Hee Seop Choi on the base paths in 2005. Honestly? I hope he does a great job in Toronto... but I also hope Glaus can show that a change-of-scenery will benefit him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alluba_cards Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Last time rolen hit more than 20 homeruns was 2004, glaus hit 38 in 2006, and he was injusred partway because astroturf, and rolen has been injure so much because his shoulder,he'll never be a 30 homerun or 100 rbi guy again, but if Glaus is healthy, he can get 30 homeruns and 100 rbi's. And we need more offense not defense we are good at defense {ryan,pujols,ankiel, possibly rasmus, and kennedy, molina} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I wouldn't say Rolen "will never be a 30 hr/100 rbi guy again." But it seems that Rolen is farther removed from his offensive prime than Glaus. But his injury was so major, and chronic... if it heals properly - he could return to his former stature... and that would seem to tip this trade in the favor of Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPaPa Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Gloss has nothing to fall back on though. He doesn't hit for average, Hes not an OBP guy, hes not an elite fielder, all he does (or did) is hit home runs. If his power numbers continue to drop he will be a nothing and rolen will still eb able to field and post good average numbers. I do think the NL will lengthen Glosses Valuable time however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP_Frost Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Gloss has nothing to fall back on though. He doesn't hit for average, Hes not an OBP guy, hes not an elite fielder, all he does (or did) is hit home runs. If his power numbers continue to drop he will be a nothing and rolen will still eb able to field and post good average numbers. I do think the NL will lengthen Glosses Valuable time however. Glaus actually walks about 80 times a year, with potential for 100+ walks, so I'd say his OBP should be fine. If he's healthy, he's basically a lock to put up an .850 OPS, which is even a little on the low side. I like this deal alot better for the Cardinals than I do for the Jays. Glaus has a more favorable contract and is a better bet to be productive. If Rolen is fully healthy (which is a big if), he's the obviously the better player, but the question will be how long he stays healthy. The fact that the Jays will even send money to the Cards is just an added bonus for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorQuiz Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hey DJEagles... here's some interesting news... Glaus Asked For Trade According to Buster Olney, Troy Glaus told J.P. Ricciardi several months ago that he'd like to be traded. Apparently he really wanted to get away from artificial turf. Olney says Ricciardi made no promises, and set about finding good value for Glaus. Glaus had wanted to play for St. Louis for years, and Scott Rolen's rift with Tony La Russa created an opportunity. Hmmm... :chin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlot Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I think the deal is even for both teams. Rolen should be alright, just has to avoid injuries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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