yankeeboi14 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 i wish they could do a 2001 mod instead. You know all that had happened with 9/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcstar3000 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 I would like to see a 1981 mod to see how things would have been different, minus the strike. Could the Expos had won the NL East and made the World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy82 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 I've been thinking of doing a 98 Roster (Possibly Modding the whole game), and maybe this work could help me with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I've been thinking of doing a 98 Roster (Possibly Modding the whole game), and maybe this work could help me with it? I know this was a while ago, but any interest in helping with a '98 roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetsReyes777 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Wow, forgot about this. This might be continued this summer though. Don't rule it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Cool. I was using your team files as a base for the 98 Roster I'm working on and the rosters are very impressive, although the Giants & Expos files were missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Wow, forgot about this. This might be continued this summer though. Don't rule it out. LOL. Ronnie, remember what we talked about on live a ways back? I totally forgot about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Putnam Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Sounds good. Thank god for the Lahman database. I'm not quite sure what you mean though, baseball-reference has every 25-man roster since forever. Go look. Keep it up man, I'm gonna continue the uniforms shortly. baseball-reference.com actually lists more than 25 players on a roster. For example, here's what it lists for the '99 Orioles: C Charles Johnson 1B Jeff Conine 2B Delino DeShields 3B Cal Ripken SS Mike Bordick LF B.J. Surhoff CF Brady Anderson RF Albert Belle DH Harold Baines Will Clark Jerry Hairston Jeff Reboulet Rich Amaral Ryan Minor Mike Figga Gene Kingsale Willis Otanez Derrick May Calvin Pickering Lenny Webster Jesse Garcia Tommy Davis Pitchers: SP Scott Erickson SP Sidney Ponson SP Mike Mussina SP Juan Guzman SP Jason Johnson SP Doug Linton CL Mike Timlin RP Jesse Orosco RP Arthur Rhodes RP Scott Kamieniecki RP Ricky Bones Doug Johns Mike Fetters Al Reyes Gabe Molina Rocky Coppinger B.J. Ryan Jim Corsi Matt Riley Heathcliff Slocumb Brian Falkenborg That's a lot more than 25 players. What I've done in cases is like this is make sure I have enough pitchers, and then start removing players based upon the number of games played. A number of guys only have 5 or 6 games played, so they'd be the first ones to be dropped. Another thing to be aware of for your rosters is trades made during the season. A player may show up on multiple team rosters during that year. In that case, I put him on the team where he played the most games. What do you do in september when rosters expand to 40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim825 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 What do you do in september when rosters expand to 40? You can't really do anything, since MVP2005 only allows each team to have 25 players on it (i.e. rosters can't expand to 40 players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If the issue is rosters, I may be able to help. I've been attempting to collect and index minor league stats from baseball-reference, and it's a matter of time until I get to the 90s (I've been waiting for their new site to finish, and other projects to let up). When I get the 1996-1999 stats, I'll run MLEs on them, and try to 'Marcel' it up to make 1999 'projections' (possibly with some actual 1999 stats factored in. Also, Baseball America's prospect lists just happened to start in 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20000304110753/www.baseballamerica.com/features/top100/index.html). In retrospect, they were pretty good. I might not have it posted right away, but given the timeline, I doubt that'll matter. Just let me know if you think I'd just be wasting my time. Also, opening day rosters can be found at: http://sanpurdue.freesitespace.net/Goodies.htm In this case, the Orioles opening day roster was: R.Amaral, B.Anderson, H.Baines, A.Belle, R.Bones, M.Bordick, W.Clark, J.Conine, S.Erickson, M.Fetters, J.Garcia, J.Guzman, D.Johns, C.Johnson, M.Mussina, J.Orosco, W.Otanez, S.Ponson, J.Reboulet, A.Rhodes, C.Ripken, H.Slocumb, B.Surhoff, M.Timlin, L.Webster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If the issue is rosters, I may be able to help. I've been attempting to collect and index minor league stats from baseball-reference, and it's a matter of time until I get to the 90s (I've been waiting for their new site to finish, and other projects to let up). When I get the 1996-1999 stats, I'll run MLEs on them, and try to 'Marcel' it up to make 1999 'projections' (possibly with some actual 1999 stats factored in. Also, Baseball America's prospect lists just happened to start in 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20000304110753/www.baseballamerica.com/features/top100/index.html). In retrospect, they were pretty good. I might not have it posted right away, but given the timeline, I doubt that'll matter. Just let me know if you think I'd just be wasting my time. Also, opening day rosters can be found at: http://sanpurdue.freesitespace.net/Goodies.htm In this case, the Orioles opening day roster was: R.Amaral, B.Anderson, H.Baines, A.Belle, R.Bones, M.Bordick, W.Clark, J.Conine, S.Erickson, M.Fetters, J.Garcia, J.Guzman, D.Johns, C.Johnson, M.Mussina, J.Orosco, W.Otanez, S.Ponson, J.Reboulet, A.Rhodes, C.Ripken, H.Slocumb, B.Surhoff, M.Timlin, L.Webster what new site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 http://www.thebaseballcube.com/ That's what I use for minor league stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The Baseball Cube is a great resource for minor league stats, but it isn't practical to make an entire league at a time. Baseball-reference's new site is still beta, but it's pretty functional: http://sandbox.baseball-reference.com/ I wrote a leech script a few months ago to get stats from their old minor league site (http://minors.baseball-reference.com/), but I've been waiting for their new site to finalize before converting it over. The plan is to leech all relevant stats from the 1996-1999 range, pass them through MLEs (though minor league ballpark factors are unavailable, so I'll need to make some estimations), and long story short, come up with a spreadsheet with 3000+ players with relevant stats. From there, it should be easy enough to chain them in your (apparently closed source) ratings formulas, and get the majority of the work done in one fell swoop. Using this technique, we can arguably make a total conversion mod for any season, as long as we can get MLE multipliers for each league in question. As usual, the toughest part will be fielding/pitch ratings, but those should be available for anyone with major league experience (TotalZone is available for all major league players from the Retrosheet era), and between the Neyer/James book on pitchers and the Mogul database, we should cover the pitcher ratings. We can then try to run regressions to generate the other data, though anyone who never sees the major leagues is usually not important, and anyone who is can have the one-on-one research done as normal. I'll try to get a sample up sometime this week, and if it's just optimizing old techniques, I can write scripts to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The new look of Baseball-Reference is certainly more organized, I'll say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 are they ever gonna have splits pre-1956? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like to see some minor league splits for the late 80's-early 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEOLINK Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 so is this TC still going? any progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 are they ever gonna have splits pre-1956? I'd like to see some minor league splits for the late 80's-early 90's. To get splits, you either need box scores for every game in a season, or ideally, full play by play events for every game in a season. For the major leagues, this is generally a thing of research. For minor leagues, these may never have been recorded, so it may not be possible. But just 10 years ago, splits as we know them pretty much didn't exist. At best you had some home/road splits, and a HR log. That was generally it. Thankfully, most of the splits people are looking for don't give a lot of useful information, so it isn't a big loss. We'll have all of them for major leaguers anyway. I can call up the major league splits for the seasons in question, and we can look at career splits if we need more info for those who weren't established major leaguers yet. The fun part of this kind of replay is that players who never made the majors are generally unimportant, so they don't need as much detail. Of course, I'll use as much info as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 i like the splits they have already. they're very useful when trying to determine attributes. but the classic guys are tough to do since i can't get splits before 1956. i just assumed they existed because i've seen them in Baseball Mogul, but there's no other place i've seen them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 No, if a split is needed, and isn't available, it's generally estimated. Mogul just does that in the background. Generally speaking, most splits have no actual skill behind them and are just random deviation. The important splits are home/road (for park effects), and vsL/vsR (though very few players deviate from what their handedness suggests). The major league data will be park adjusted, but minor league data might need a proxy. I can generate a listing of 1996-1999 vsL/vsR splits for batters, and that'll explain 80% of the data we need. I assume there are no splits other than vsL/vsR, are there any other splits needed? It also appears that pitchers don't use them, which is a shame, since they show more significant platoon splits than hitters do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 yeah, the only splits i'm referring to are the vs RHP and vs LHP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Homer, When I was working on '88, I found Mogul's splits to be total bull. They're nowhere near correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 well that's good to know. i never used them either, so i wasn't sure on their accuracy. i do wish there was a way to accurately depict split values for classic guys in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebjr Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 That may be our only option though for the pre-1956 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Platoon splits are a skill a batter can control, but if the information's not available, then using the league average platoon split is the best strategy. If you have several years of split info, it's still better to regress it towards the league average, since a lot of it will be random variance. That's why the ratings will be based on 1996-1999. I'll Marcel together 96-98 to get the ratings, then I'll cheat and force in some 1999 info to "improve" the "projection". This'll inherently add regression to the mix to minimize the effect of luck on the ratings. Either way, I'll try to work the spreadsheet one part at a time, when I have time. The major league stats are usually easy enough to do, I'll get the splits ready, and the long bit will be the minor league numbers. However, all I can do is the numbers, if there's anything based on numbers, I can probably help automate it, but the visual stuff, I can't help with. If this technique works, it could simplify the rating generation of future projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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