meteamo Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 And with the winters we have, it's literally going to be choosing food or heat for some families... No doubt. Follow the money. That goes for these big oil companies as well as us little folk. I can't imagine how much the heating bill will be this winter. Hopefully, it'll be a mild winter for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tywiggins Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Alternative Fuel Sources: What are the alternative Fuel sources besides ethanol? I can only think of Natural Gas at this time but that has a lot of issues. How about methane? Was something going on with that? Natural Gas is mostly Methane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddux31 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Presidential debates kick off first. I believe on the 26th of this month is the first one between Mccain and Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The Republicans support drilling oil as a temporary measure to give us some security while we search for alternative fuels. Both Barack Obama and John McCain support this idea to some degree. Kraw is a top notch researcher and link provider. Im most shocked at the rape thing. I would NEVER EVER force my daughter(if I had one) to have a rape baby. I am for letting the women make her own choice. However I hate the idea of killing a fetus. I had a long talk with one of my gal pals and I told her that I am ok with abortion if its like the morning after pill, or not a well formed child yet. When it gets the point that you can see a lil person, I feel guilty. But I let everyone make the decisions they want without judgment. It all depends on the circumstances too, as I have known some girls back in high school who had 2 or 3(rumors tho), but they were early, 1 month or less along abortions. If you cannot support a child and you think itd be best for everyone, then so be it. But it cannot be a constant get out of jail free card. But to each their own. Who am I to tell someone what to do with their body. Omg imagine if there was self intimacy laws. Lol, silly example, but i could not handle that haha. I love myself lol At the moment of conception, all 24 chromosomes are present, and life has formed. All scientists acknowledge that. So, to abort a baby, we have to destroy life. Again, all scientists agree with that. So, why do we still support abortion? Do we think that a fetus is not a baby yet? If that is the case, I don't want to ever see another mother who has had a miscarriage shed a SINGLE tear when her fetus died. Because, afterall, it was just a fetus. It wasn't a baby yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckdodger215 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 This is disgusting, Palin can attack Obama left and right, but the Democrats have to tiptoe because she's a woman. I'm pretty sure the media has done it's fair share of bashing Palin as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckdodger215 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The only downside is cost as hydrogen is renewable. But it will be expensive at first until the technology is more widely used and available, but the oil companies can't make money off of that so ethanol and biofuels are what is promoted. As for other energy, there's geothermal and solar heating, wind power. We could put a wind farm out in the ocean that could generate a ton of electricity. In the state of Maine, people are turning more and more toward alternative energy such as putting wind turbines on their property and having solar and geothermal heating setup for houses just because 90% of the state's households heat with oil. And with the winters we have, it's literally going to be choosing food or heat for some families... if you think wind and solar energy is the answer you're sadly mistaken. the amount of energy they produce is far, far, far inferior to nuclear. the cost to operate an offshore wind farm would be unjust for the amount of energy it would produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckdodger215 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 When will the Republicans wake up and realize more oil isn't the answer? Alternative fuels are the way to go, and Obama and the Democrats get that. they have been wide awak in trying to get off shore drilling approved for years Drilling in ANWR is a stopgap solution at best. What happens when that oil runs out? that oil won't run out. by the time it even gets remotely close to being at low levels, other technology will have emerged. The problem is there aren't enough refineries anyway, we've got tons of oil but not enough resources to refine it to fuel. That's why Katrina hurt us so bad, it shut down refineries. Yes it shut down refineries but we should have other sites (hello, Alaska) that can compensate for these outages. And on another note, did McCain look like a fragile old man on stage to anybody else. He even acted a little weird and out of place up there, like he was senile or something. what in the hell does how he looks have to do with anything? does anyone on here say anything about obama being mixed or looking arabic? no. this is useless. There is a chance that if people elect McCain, they are electing Palin as the next President, and that scares the hell out of me... personally, electing obama as the president scares me much worse than having our first woman VICE president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayxero Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The Republicans support drilling oil as a temporary measure to give us some security while we search for alternative fuels. Both Barack Obama and John McCain support this idea to some degree. At the moment of conception, all 24 chromosomes are present, and life has formed. All scientists acknowledge that. So, to abort a baby, we have to destroy life. Again, all scientists agree with that. So, why do we still support abortion? Do we think that a fetus is not a baby yet? If that is the case, I don't want to ever see another mother who has had a miscarriage shed a SINGLE tear when her fetus died. Because, afterall, it was just a fetus. It wasn't a baby yet. So scientists and repubs want to tell a women what to do with her body? Lol funny how republicans are pro life, and you are right that it is destroying life. Not like the US does not destroy life by meddling in other countries affairs. Not to mention McCain wanting us to stay somewhere we are not wanted, and possibly try and jump into Iran. War destroys life as well but thats another issue. I just think abortion is up to the potential mother. It is noone elses business. People need to get over it. Hooray for making your own decisions, living with the consequences, and stem cell research. Democrats get my vote this November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 If Obama was a member of a group, for 10 years, whose founder said this: "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." We'd never hear the end of it. But Palin and her drunk driving husband were members of the AIP for 10 years, and it's ok. Alaska first, or America first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPaPa Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It doesn't matter how many babies those dam republicans save if there just gonna send em over t Iran and kill em all anyway. Oh and also by the logic that as soon as an egg is fertilized removing it is taking a life, then Sperm are alive too and jacking off should be outlawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckdodger215 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It doesn't matter how many babies those dam republicans save if there just gonna send em over t Iran and kill em all anyway. Oh and also by the logic that as soon as an egg is fertilized removing it is taking a life, then Sperm are alive too and jacking off should be outlawed. this reply makes about as much sense as..... yeah, can't even compare it to anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 this reply makes about as much sense as..... yeah, can't even compare it to anything Wow, I found something to agree with DD about. What the hell are you talking about dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Today's Rasmussen poll (held before her speech). Only 42% of independent voters believe Barrack Obama has more experience to be president than Sarah Palin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Today's Rasmussen poll (held before her speech). Only 42% of independent voters believe Barrack Obama has more experience to be president than Sarah Palin. Americans also think Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Americans are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Americans also think Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Americans are idiots. Which explains why a junior senator defeated a ton of more qualified candidates from his own party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So scientists and repubs want to tell a women what to do with her body? Lol funny how republicans are pro life, and you are right that it is destroying life. Not like the US does not destroy life by meddling in other countries affairs. Not to mention McCain wanting us to stay somewhere we are not wanted, and possibly try and jump into Iran. War destroys life as well but thats another issue. I just think abortion is up to the potential mother. It is noone elses business. People need to get over it. Hooray for making your own decisions, living with the consequences, and stem cell research. Democrats get my vote this November. See, you think we're telling a woman what to do with her body. This is not telling her what to do with her body, it's telling her what to do with the baby that lives inside her body. Think about it this way: Let's say you wake up Friday morning, and you get an early call telling you one of your friends has died. He invites you to attend the reading of this will. When it is read, you discover that your friend has given custody of his child to you. He never told you about this, you're quite happy living without kids, and you don't want extra responsibilities. So, you say, "The kid is legally mine, but I don't want him, so I'm going to shoot him and get rid of him since he's mine to begin with." That's exactly what people who abort their babies are doing. They are killing a human being, and while they say that it is not human yet, deep down, they believe it's a human already. The proof is in their mourning and sadness when something tragic like a miscarriage occurs. In some cultures, there would be no sadness because they do not understand the science of conception when sperm meets egg. But we have that knowledge, and we know that the fetus is human at the moment of conception. That's why we get sad when tragedy occurs to our baby even when it's still in the womb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayxero Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That is just a bad example. Actually just a horrible comparison. The kid for one was never inside my body. And since he is not apart of my being, I cannot harm him without persecution. And why harm my friends child? However for women, they are harming a part of their own being and body. If they choose to do so, then so be it.You cannot tell them what they cannot do to themselves. Get over it dude. Yes its about human rights but also, Its about personal rights. You cannot put sanctions or whatever on a womens body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckdodger215 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 See, you think we're telling a woman what to do with her body. This is not telling her what to do with her body, it's telling her what to do with the baby that lives inside her body. Think about it this way: Let's say you wake up Friday morning, and you get an early call telling you one of your friends has died. He invites you to attend the reading of this will. When it is read, you discover that your friend has given custody of his child to you. He never told you about this, you're quite happy living without kids, and you don't want extra responsibilities. So, you say, "The kid is legally mine, but I don't want him, so I'm going to shoot him and get rid of him since he's mine to begin with." That's exactly what people who abort their babies are doing. They are killing a human being, and while they say that it is not human yet, deep down, they believe it's a human already. The proof is in their mourning and sadness when something tragic like a miscarriage occurs. In some cultures, there would be no sadness because they do not understand the science of conception when sperm meets egg. But we have that knowledge, and we know that the fetus is human at the moment of conception. That's why we get sad when tragedy occurs to our baby even when it's still in the womb. so are you in favor of the morning after pill or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It is a god complex, you feel you should be able to control what a woman does with her body. What gets me is 95% of Pro-Life crazies support the Death Penalty It is not for you to judge what a woman does with her body, right or wrong GOD will judge that person I'm against abortion but I do not think I have the right to control what another human does with their bodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It is a god complex, you feel you should be able to control what a woman does with her body. What gets me is 95% of Pro-Life crazies support the Death Penalty It is not for you to judge what a woman does with her body, right or wrong GOD will judge that person I'm against abortion but I do not think I have the right to control what another human does with their bodies The more time goes by, the more I think we should beef up state's rights. Mississippi and Alabama will always be cesspools, last in education and infant survival rates and literacy, etc.. So they can cut off abortion, or childhood education, human rights, or anything they want and I really don't care. I'll stay in a place with universal health care and gay marriage with some of the highest median income, literacy and fitness rates in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That is just a bad example. Actually just a horrible comparison. The kid for one was never inside my body. And since he is not apart of my being, I cannot harm him without persecution. And why harm my friends child? However for women, they are harming a part of their own being and body. If they choose to do so, then so be it.You cannot tell them what they cannot do to themselves. Get over it dude. Yes its about human rights but also, Its about personal rights. You cannot put sanctions or whatever on a womens body. Oh, no. I think it's a perfect example in this context. You said earlier: Im most shocked at the rape thing. I would NEVER EVER force my daughter(if I had one) to have a rape baby. So, we're talking about rape here. We're talking about receiving a child who you never wanted, and is 50% from somebody you hate. So, my example fits perfectly in this context. And, you and kraw keep using the phrase, "her body" instead of her body plus the infant inside. You guys can't see that there is a life inside there. Yet, if you would probably refer to your wife's fetus (if she were pregnant) as a baby in normal conversion. If you guys can't recognize the life that exists inside the womb, that's your belief, and I won't try to change that. But I think it's a shame that many people today can't realize it. And about the death penalty. The death penalty is for those who have killed another person. If they took another person's life in a premeditated situation, they did not care about that person's life, and why should they expect us to care about theirs? You say we're hypocritical because we say we're Pro-Life and yet we're okay with the death penalty, but I say that if you're really Pro-Choice, why don't you give the baby inside a mother's womb a choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 And about the death penalty. The death penalty is for those who have killed another person. If they took another person's life in a premeditated situation, they did not care about that person's life, and why should they expect us to care about theirs? You say we're hypocritical because we say we're Pro-Life and yet we're okay with the death penalty, but I say that if you're really Pro-Choice, why don't you give the baby inside a mother's womb a choice? No, I'm saying you're hypocritical because you don't seem to have a problem with torturing people who have been given no trial. As for forcing a rape victim to be a mother, I can't imagine the cruelty. Have you ever had someone close to you deal with being a rape victim? Do you want to force a child on them, because they were a victim of a violent assault? Do we want to put more children into foster homes and into an overcrowded adoption system? Or, do we want more mothers who are unable or unwilling to provide the proper life for a child? Not everyone is born to be parents, and it could be a married couple who have no interest in a child with a broken condom, or an incest victim, or a teenage mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 No, I'm saying you're hypocritical because you don't seem to have a problem with torturing people who have been given no trial. As for forcing a rape victim to be a mother, I can't imagine the cruelty. Have you ever had someone close to you deal with being a rape victim? Do you want to force a child on them, because they were a victim of a violent assault? Do we want to put more children into foster homes and into an overcrowded adoption system? Or, do we want more mothers who are unable or unwilling to provide the proper life for a child? Not everyone is born to be parents, and it could be a married couple who have no interest in a child with a broken condom, or an incest victim, or a teenage mother. Okay, now when did I say that I supported torturing people without trial? Paste the comment I said in your next entry; I'd be very interested in seeing how you came up with that lie. I support the right to every American for a trial and a jury. That is the basic constitutional right, and you know well how big we conservatives are on the constitution. As for the rape situation, I have not known anyone who was raped. But I do know people who had sex and got pregnant when they did not want to have children yet. I know it's hard, but we can't kill someone just for our own convenience. You asked me if I wanted to force a child on a raped mother. My answer I think is obvious. But now I ask you, are you willing to kill someone just so that a woman can be free from the troubles associated with caring for a child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Okay, now when did I say that I supported torturing people without trial? Paste the comment I said in your next entry; I'd be very interested in seeing how you came up with that lie. I support the right to every American for a trial and a jury. That is the basic constitutional right, and you know well how big we conservatives are on the constitution. The last 8 years have called into question my belief in the conservative interest in the constitution. Since you questioned my belief that tying someone down and pouring water down their throats until they think they're drowning is torture, pardon my misunderstanding. As for the rape situation, I have not known anyone who was raped. Well, there we have it. Have someone you love and care about be the victim of being forced to have sex against their will, and the psychological trauma associated with it for months and years afterwards, and it's a different consideration. But I do know people who had sex and got pregnant when they did not want to have children yet. I know it's hard, but we can't kill someone just for our own convenience. It's not a matter of convenience, it's a matter of providing a proper life for a child. I'm all for not punishing people who have done nothing wrong, and I don't think a married couple struggling to make ends meet, who have a broken condom, is in a position to raise a child. If, that is, they don't believe they are. You asked me if I wanted to force a child on a raped mother. My answer I think is obvious. But now I ask you, are you willing to kill someone just so that a woman can be free from the troubles associated with caring for a child? Absolutely. Considering the horrible excuses for parenting on every level, more kids without parenting isn't going to help anything. What I would personally rather have is federally subsidized contraception and sex-ed classes, both of which were slashed by the Bush Administration. Then, substantial tax breaks/benefits for the first child born, as a disincentive for having more than one child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhiggy1961 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Plain and simple the difference between capital punishment and abortion is that abortion is killing an innocent life. Capital punishment on the other hand is killing a murderer. Capital punishment is also a deterrent. Capital punishment should be used for all violent crimes (murder, rape, child molestation, etc.). If after McCain is elected, I hope we can get a Supreme Court willing to overturn Roe v Wade. I would also like to see the women who have abortions along with the doctors who perform the abotions be tried for what they are, murderers. If convicted they should also receive the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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