el_jefe061 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Fun fact: The Dow has lost 39% of its value in the last year. Do what you want with that. Also, Cindy McCain did not have kind words involving soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanRobinson Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Somehow I'm reminded of this with the economic crisis: http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9904/01/onion/hoover.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 ...Nothing but talk? Are you this guy?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs Guess whose posts I'll be ignoring from here on out? --Eric P.S. I've helped my wife with her classes at the Special Olympics and let me tell you...there are folks competing there that are smarter than some of the "regular" folks I've seen posting here.... Go ahead, ignore my posts, and prove to the world how liberals like you always want to shut up the conservatives because you guys have no comeback to what we say. This is why you people want the Fairness Doctrine: because you can't respond to our comments. So, since you can't repsond, you just try to bandaid the problem and try to make it disappear. I disagree with what people like SeanO say here, but I don't go ignoring their posts. I see what they have to say and consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonClark Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I disagree with what people like SeanO say here, but I don't go ignoring their posts. I see what they have to say and consider it. I'm sorry, but there's no way you're considering other points of view after watching Fox News as religiously as you seem to do. I can completely understand why him, and probably others, are ignoring your posts. Debating with you is like debating with a Fox News teleprompter -- you'll always spit out the same Republican rhetoric and buzz words no matter what anyone says in rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I'm sorry, but there's no way you're considering other points of view after watching Fox News as religiously as you seem to do. I can completely understand why him, and probably others, are ignoring your posts. Debating with you is like debating with a Fox News teleprompter -- you'll always spit out the same Republican rhetoric and buzz words no matter what anyone says in rebuttal. What about you? You guys say the same liberal stuff also. Stop only looking at me and look at yourselves. You say debating with me is like debating with a Fox News teleprompter? Well, I say that debating with you guys is like debating with a Democratic congressman. You say the say liberal rhetoric and buzz words no matter what I say in rebuttal. The only difference between me and you guys is that I listen and hear out what you guys have to say whereas you guys don't want to hear my side of the story. I wonder why that is? EDIT: I've already said that I respect SeanO even though I disagree with him because he gives well-thought out reasons for why he supports Barack Obama. I respect anyone who thinks out his political beliefs even if I disagree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonClark Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 What about you? You guys say the same liberal stuff also. Stop only looking at me and look at yourselves. You say debating with me is like debating with a Fox News teleprompter? Well, I say that debating with you guys is like debating with a Democratic congressman. You say the say liberal rhetoric and buzz words no matter what I say in rebuttal. The only difference between me and you guys is that I listen and hear out what you guys have to say whereas you guys don't want to hear my side of the story. I wonder why that is? EDIT: I've already said that I respect SeanO even though I disagree with him because he gives well-thought out reasons for why he supports Barack Obama. I respect anyone who thinks out his political beliefs even if I disagree with them. Actually, I appreciate your attempt, but I'm not a Liberal or a Conservative. I'm not involved with anything. I'm a person, not a label. There are things that I'm liberal about, and things that I'm conservative about. And if your only argument on why you repeat the rhetoric and buzz words you hear on Fox News as your own opinions is because Democrats do the same, then that's pretty weak. But hey, do what you gotta do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 And if your only argument on why you repeat the rhetoric and buzz words you hear on Fox News as your own opinions is because Democrats do the same, then that's pretty weak. But hey, do what you gotta do. That's actually not my argument. Like you, I am conservative in many ways, but there a few important areas where I am liberal. My stance on education laws puts me at huge odds with some conservative talk show hosts. I was just saying that people can't accuse me of something that they themselves also do. One final thing: I actually don't have cable, so I don't watch FOX News (though I wish I could). I don't listen to conservative talk radio that much because a lot of them are a little too extreme for me (the only ones I like are Hannity and this guy named Billy Cunningham who does a Sunday night radio show). The reason I support conservative views is because those are the views that make sense to me. It's the same reason why liberals support their views: because it makes sense to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Go ahead, ignore my posts, and prove to the world how liberals like you always want to shut up the conservatives because you guys have no comeback to what we say. I think my comeback to what you said is that, like others who've brought up the "Chamberlain talked to Hitler, and so Obama is Chamberlain" argument, you (1) don't know your history and (2) don't seem to want to bother with research. It's no fun debating with a parrot, is my point. --Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Go ahead, ignore my posts, and prove to the world how liberals like you always want to shut up the conservatives because you guys have no comeback to what we say. This is why you people want the Fairness Doctrine: because you can't respond to our comments. So, since you can't repsond, you just try to bandaid the problem and try to make it disappear. I disagree with what people like SeanO say here, but I don't go ignoring their posts. I see what they have to say and consider it. I had a long comeback to everything you said on the last page. Game... Set...? And what do you mean "you people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 And what do you mean "you people"? What do you mean, "you people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think my comeback to what you said is that, like others who've brought up the "Chamberlain talked to Hitler, and so Obama is Chamberlain" argument, you (1) don't know your history and (2) don't seem to want to bother with research. It's no fun debating with a parrot, is my point. --Eric Don't do my research or do my history? Hahaha. What a joke. In case you don't know, I got an A for a 25-page research paper on World War II in high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 As I asked on an earlier page, what would happen to the campaign if they find Palin guilty? Do you think McCain would replace her with someone else? Did anybody hear McCain's response to the old woman at one of his stops today? He was saying how she won't vote for Obama because he is an Arab. She really knew what she was talking about. LOL .... Anyways, McCain ended up saying something nice to Obama saying that America would be in good hands with Obama. I wonder if what his angle on that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEagles Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Don't do my research or do my history? Hahaha. What a joke. In case you don't know, I got an A for a 25-page research paper on World War II in high school. Woooooo....and my dad can kick your dad's ***... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Scary times. People are willing to fully embrace socialism if it means they might not have to be afraid at night for a few weeks about their savings. Not only did the current administration expand the powers of government into the private sector but the incoming president plans to expand the national debt by $3.4 trillion over the next 10 years. Yikes! Fear rules all. Don't believe me? Look at the polling number pre-economic crisis and post-economic crisis. The candidate that has pulled ahead has not offered any real solutions to the problems, just promises of taking from the rich and giving to the poor. That kind of thinking only works, the redistribution of wealth, if you plan on nationalising other major industries. Once we do that, America as the founding father's viewed it, where the American people decide what happens with our money and not the Federal gov't. will die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Woooooo....and my dad can kick your dad's ****... I think you fail to understand: I wrote this paper only 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think you fail to understand: I wrote this paper only 2 years ago. dude who cares. It's not like this site is one big competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 True, but I just don't like being called a parrot when some people here are themselves "parrots." My opinions are based on what I've heard and what I've been taught just like their's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 True, but I just don't like being called a parrot when some people here are themselves "parrots." My opinions are based on what I've heard and what I've been taught just like their's are. Am I just like in the corner here or something? You were talking about how nobody respectfully gives you a comeback, and I did, and you ignore it. Answer me! In other news, Norm Coleman will not be appearing with John McCain at a Minnesota campaign event because "he needs the time to work on suspending his own negative ads." Could this be like when other Conservatives earlier would not appear with John McCain for various reasons of apathy toward McCain, like Gordon Smith? Republicans need the base to be excited, so what are the effects for McCain if he loses the base? Also, Barack Obama is at an all time high in the national tracking polls. Earlier today, Obama remarked on recent outbursts of "Traitor!" "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!" at McCain campaign events. "It's easy to rile up a crowd," Obama said. "Nothing's easier than riling up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that's not what we need right now in the United States." In response, McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace released this statement, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports. "Barack Obama's assault on our supporters is insulting and unsurprising. These are the same people obama called 'bitter' and attacked for 'clinging to guns' and faith. He fails to understand that people are angry at corrupt practices in Washington and Wall Street and he fails to understand that America's working families are not 'clinging' to anything other than the sincere hope that Washington will be reformed from top to bottom." "Attacking our supporters is a new low for the campaign that's run more millions of dollars of negative ads than any other in history." *** UPDATE *** McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers adds in another statement: “Barack Obama’s attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain. It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn’t understand regular people and the issues they care about. He dismisses hardworking middle class Americans as clinging to guns and religion, while at the same time attacking average Americans at McCain rallies who are angry at Washington, Wall Street and the status quo." It appears that the McCain campaign is defending the bigotry and attacks that have come from the crowds at McCain's rallies. Apparently, it is not the people's fault for calling for Obama to be killed and calling him a terrorist. It is Barack Obama's fault. He, as someone who has worked in the south side and doesn't own 7 homes, just doesn't understand, my friends, what it is like for the middle class. John McCain is a disgrace not only to American politicians, which is saying a lot, but even to the GOP, which says even more. Defending these bigots who would murder Barack Obama without a second thought if there were no consequences, is despicable. No so called American hero would defend this type of behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Am I just like in the corner here or something? You were talking about how nobody respectfully gives you a comeback, and I did, and you ignore it. Answer me! In other news, Norm Coleman will not be appearing with John McCain at a Minnesota campaign event because "he needs the time to work on suspending his own negative ads." Could this be like when other Conservatives earlier would not appear with John McCain for various reasons of apathy toward McCain, like Gordon Smith? Republicans need the base to be excited, so what are the effects for McCain if he loses the base? Also, Barack Obama is at an all time high in the national tracking polls. It appears that the McCain campaign is defending the bigotry and attacks that have come from the crowds at McCain's rallies. Apparently, it is not the people's fault for calling for Obama to be killed and calling him a terrorist. It is Barack Obama's fault. He, as someone who has worked in the south side and doesn't own 7 homes, just doesn't understand, my friends, what it is like for the middle class. John McCain is a disgrace not only to American politicians, which is saying a lot, but even to the GOP, which says even more. Defending these bigots who would murder Barack Obama without a second thought if there were no consequences, is despicable. No so called American hero would defend this type of behavior.Sorry, but sometimes your posts are soooo long that I just don't feel like reading them. About McCain being negative, he just said today that Obama is a decent guy, and the crowd booed him for it. AT HIS OWN RALLY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Now, I am not very crazy about McCain. But I'm even more uncrazy about Obama. Obama's policies and his past associations concern me. Maybe he can surprise all of us, but I don't think I want to take a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sorry, but sometimes your posts are soooo long that I just don't feel like reading them. I am sorry but that shows that you could care less about someone's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sorry, but sometimes your posts are soooo long that I just don't feel like reading them. Guess whose posts I'll be double ignoring from here on out? --Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonClark Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Guess whose posts I'll be double ignoring from here on out? --Eric Hey now guys, he disproved us by trotting out a good grade he got on a history paper from high school, I'm sure he's got some english/composition papers he can use as evidence of his ability to read for extended periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sorry, but sometimes your posts are soooo long that I just don't feel like reading them. Then either admit you're wrong or stop complaining that people don't respect you or ignore you. Nobody cares if you actually got a good grade on a required research paper in school if you don't have the chops to back anything up and then decry everybody else as "wrong". So stop posting if you're not going to do those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I am sorry but that shows that you could care less about someone's opinion. As if I'm the only one who does that on this thread, BigRog. Not to beat up on SeanO, but look what he posted about a month ago in this very thread: tldr I never posted "TLDR" to anyone's comment, though I don't see anything wrong with doing it of course. I thought el_jefe was a conservative, so I didn't really read what he said because I thought I already knew it. But that's beside the point. The point is that you people continue to accuse me and single me out as the bad guy when some of you do the exact same thing. I don't think that's very fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesmvp04 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 And another thing. This thread is getting way off topic. We're supposed to be talking about McCain vs. Obama and Conservativism vs. Liberalism. I don't think "piratesmvp04" or "piratesmvp04's politics" is in the title for this thread. You people have been hungering for the opportunity to turn this debate into an attack on me, and I think that is hugely unwarranted. I never said anything about anyone here (until I had to defend myself from your inaccurate accusations). As I said before, I disagree strongly with people like SeanO or krawhitham on political issues, but because they present clear evidence for their beliefs instead of singing, "Change, change, change," I respect them for that. I think we all need to get back to the issues because this conversation we've been having over the past few days is only going to lead to trouble, people hating one another, and unedifying thoughts for myself and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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