rolie Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Rice and Powell we're appointed. Wasn't this kinda like how Obama first got into politics. Somebody gave him their seat and well Obama kinda backstabbed them when they wanted it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeuceBlades Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Obama is associated to socialist people you know. So is McCain, care to exchange notes. Rightwing government is associated with dictatorships, so what. Your gonna get a taxbreak, and your crying about socialism? Give me a f*cking break. Socialism is in every form of government. Some more prevalant than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tywiggins Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Wasn't this kinda like how Obama first got into politics. Somebody gave him their seat and well Obama kinda backstabbed them when they wanted it back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Palmer_...ois_politician) backstab = refusing to withdrawal from the election and challenging Alice Palmer's signatures. (Almost 2/3 of her signatures were found to be invalid, which put her short of the required number) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolie Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Alice Palmer gave him his shot and he betrayed her. She gave up her seat for him. Loyalty isn't worth a mere 200 hundred signatures. I could understand him bullying the other candidates but he bit the hand that fed him. She held his hand through the whole process. She wanted Obama to take her seat. She lost a higher election and asked Obama to withdraw. So she decided to rerun her seat that she held So rather than let the people vote, Obama stabbed her in the back by exploiting the 200 signatures that she was short on. If that's isn't back stabbing then I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeuceBlades Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Blades, I'm not attacking you personally or otherwise. You voted for Obama, I voted for McCain. At least we both voted. I'm sick and tired of people saying if you didn't vote for Obama you are racist! I voted for McCain because I don't trust the policies economically or in terms of security of "The Little O" (refer to a previous post as to why I call him that), and that is that. Your candidate won, I'm glad you're happy. The election is over, hopefully we can heal now. However, I take offense to your insinuations of racism because us conservatives voted for McCain. I also don't care about the international outlook of our country, especially to Europe. I don't think much of the Europeans and their governments, and I think THEY are arrogant and pompous. You obviously do care about your international friend's opinions about the U.S., and that is great. If that is what keeps you going at night, all the more power to you. As for me, if I cared about the European/international opinions of the United States of America, I'd move there (preferably to Scotland or Japan), but I frankly don't give a ripped goose about their arrogant outlook on us. I'm an American, and the U.S. is the only country I care about. That is how I roll. I'm proud we elected a minority for President, I'm just disappointed that it was the wrong candidate. I'm sorry if this offends you, but I don't trust Obama at all, to improve this country. His "change" is the wrong type of "change" in my opinion, but I do hope he succeeds enough to keep us afloat as a nation. I just don't think it is going to happen, and I am fearful of mass chaos and disaster with his socialist and liberal redistribution. Thus, chances are I'll be voting him out (hopefully) four years from now, but that is four years from now (2.5 if you take into account primaries and the ilk). Thanks, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) Your socialist views are B*LLSH*T!!!!! Its nt socialist to lower taxes on 95% of americans. Raising taxes on the rich doenst mean anything to anyone in the middle class. Your not gonna see one red cent from that tax hike. You think your gonna get a check from the rich? You honestly think that? Spreding the wealth has taken a new spin in this election, and that is lunacy. Spreading the wealth in this case is fixing your goshdamm roads and infrastructure. Thats spreading the wealth. If you dont care about world opinion, than take your a$$ and fight your terrorist war alone. Try it that way for awhile, and see how far you get. You think your party is so great, even after they have ran this country into the ground and destroyed our relationships with other countries. I will never understand this train of thought. Im not a member on any party, nor will I become one. Whoever wants my vote is gonna have to earn it. Obama earned it with his policies, his intelligence and his ability to speak to me like a human being. Im not just another vote who can be suckered in, like the republican base. Im not that naive and stupid. And lets see now, Ayers was linked to McCain as well Im told. Hmmm, the pot calling the kettle black this time. In the words of Sarah Palin "Gee Gosh darn it, say it aint so Joe?? You dont trust Obamas policies because your on the right. Thats normal behavior. I dont trust McCain as a protector, because I fear was gonna start another war. So there, we are even. We have so much to work on, and republicans know nothing about fixing the economy. Its blatantly obvious since we are 11 trillion in deficit. Yeah, thats right, 11 trillion dollars. Your republican president created that over 8 years of worthless leadership. You think I want 4 more years of that? No sir, I will pass. This is why you can never argue with a republican on tv or anywhere, because they dont know when they are wrong, or when things go bad. I do like McCain. Where was the McCain that was giving his speech yesterday? I like that McCain, where was that one the entire time he was running? If McCain would have been himself, he would have won this election, but no, he had to stoop to low blow politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeuceBlades Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Sorry to bump, but this might just end your world opinion arguement vbprogjoetheplumber: Could Obama election help baseball in Olympics? By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer 2 hours, 16 minutes ago * Buzz Up * Print Related Video Gold Gloves awarded Gold Gloves awarded Gold Gloves awarded GM's talk free agency Where will Manny go? More MLB Videos DANA POINT, Calif. (AP)—With Barack Obama in the White House, baseball officials think their sport could have a better chance of getting back into the Olympics. “If the perception internationally of the United States improves by virtue of his election, then I think the U.S. stature in international sport of every type will be enhanced,†San Diego Padres chief executive officer Sandy Alderson said Wednesday at the general managers’ meetings. “I don’t think the United States has the international stature in sport that it once had.†Baseball was added as a demonstration sport in 1984 and 1988, then was a medal sport starting in 1992. The International Olympic Committee voted in July 2005 to drop baseball and softball following the 2008 Beijing Games. When a vote for reinstatement took place the following February, baseball lost 46-42 and softball failed 47-43. At the time, International Softball Federation president Don Porter said: “I think anti-Americanism was a factor.†Softball was added for the 1996 Atlanta Games. “I think clearly how the world looks at America is going to be different with Barack Obama in the White House,†Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said. “And that will be initial. And then how he leads and how he governs will determine how they look at us over a sustained period.†ADVERTISEMENT The IOC will consider the program for the 2016 Games when it meets next October. Leaders of Chicago’s bid to host that Olympics think Obama’s election provides a boost. “I think it’s a great opportunity for us to get back in,†said Jimmie Lee Solomon, executive vice president for baseball operations in the commissioner’s office. “I don’t know if the election in and of itself would do that. We’ve got some big problems.†IOC officials were unhappy major league players were not allowed to compete in the Olympics. Because the Olympics are played during baseball’s regular season, Solomon called it “a very difficult thing for us to contemplate.†“I think what will help us get back in the Olympics is to get the IOC to understand that baseball is a global sport with significant appeal and that any other reservation about is a red herring,†Bob DuPuy, baseball’s chief operating officer, said in a telephone interview from New York. International Baseball Federation president Harvey Schiller is to make a presentation to the IOC on Nov. 14 in Lausanne, Switzerland. “President-elect Obama’s interest in sports and specifically in baseball, combined with the efforts of other world leaders, is the kind of thing we need to return baseball to the Olympic program,†Schiller said from New York. “It’s important that we have his support, but it’s also important that we have the support of the many countries that participate in the game. It’s clear we have to identify that it’s a global sport, and not just a sport in the United States.†Management and the players’ association have been pushing for baseball’s reinstatement. “I think Sen. Obama’s election is an event of profound significance to a lot of people around the world, and I would be surprised if it was not received that way in Olympic circles, also,†union head Donald Fehr said by telephone from Los Angeles. Obama’s election could also impact the ongoing drug investigation of major league players that has been in federal court for more than four years. During the week of Dec. 15, the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals is to meet in Pasadena to hear an appeal by the players’ association stemming from the government’s seizure of urine samples in 2004. While the government was searching for records of players involved in the BALCO investigation, it seized all samples. If the government wins the case, it could use those records as evidence to question players on how they obtained the drugs. A three-judge panel ruled largely in favor of the government, but the full circuit set that decision aside and decided the full court will hear the matter. If the union prevails before the circuit court in the case, which could decide the meaning of “plain view†in the computer age, a Solicitor General appointed by the Obama administration could decide whether to take the appellate decision to the Supreme Court. “I think that baseball to one side, there are important issues in this case. I think that’s what caught their attention,†said Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive vice president of labor relations. Obama’s election was viewed as positive for players by agent Scott Boras. “Both in the NLRB and the situation of the union’s relationship with the federal system, it’s going to be greatly improved,†Boras said. Boras, negotiating contracts for Manny Ramirez, Mark Teixeira and several other high-profile free agents, maintained his viewpoint that MLB won’t he hurt by the economic downturn. “Baseball didn’t invest in derivatives and sub-primes,†he said. “Baseball has long-term contracts with national and local TV networks. … As I’ve said all along, the hay is in the barn.†Also Wednesday: — Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said Los Angeles made an offer to Ramirez that would give him the second-highest average salary in the sport. That would put the slugging outfielder behind Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez ($27.5 million) and ahead of Mets pitcher Johan Santana ($22.9 million). Colletti did not divulge the length of the offer. “If you saw the bid, it’s nothing that we’re embarrassed by,†Colletti said. “We said, `Think about it for a while. It’s not going to be there forever.â€â€™ Los Angeles also declined pitcher Brad Penny’s $9.25 million option, choosing to pay a $2 million buyout. — Alderson, discussing the team’s efforts to trade NL Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy, made it sound as if the Padres were definitely in a rebuilding mode. “It would be too facile for us to simply say, `Hey, we can get to the World Series next year because Tampa Bay did it this year.’ They accomplished something extraordinary.†— MLB senior vice president Katy Feeney spoke to GMs about scheduling difficulties for 2010 spring training. The Dodgers and Cleveland Indians move their camps from Florida to Arizona for this spring, and Cincinnati follows for 2010. That will leave 15 teams in each state, causing either days off or split doubleheaders. — New Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik, searching for a manager, talked about interviewing Willie Randolph for the Milwaukee job last month. “I saw Willie Randolph get his first major league hit. I said, `Willie, I go back with you longer than you think.â€â€™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Wait...did you just divide by zero? As a Scot, I'm pretty sure Scotland is somewhere in Europe. Unless I've been lied to for the last 23 years, Truman Show style, something is wrong with these quotes. Also, Scotland is a shithole. Trust me. You don't want to move here. As for the election, as others have done, I'd also like to thank every single person who voted in the election, regardless of who you voted for. I woke up this morning (after about 2 hours of sleep, still managed a full day at work and am not even tired right now )and I truly felt, and still do feel, that the world is a better place already knowing that Barack Obama is essentially in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. Sure, he's not in office yet, but it's a precursor to hope, promise and change. So, quite simply, thank you all from Glasgow, Scotland. Very Good Mark B., you know your geography. It is more than I can say for an awful lot of Americans. All I said is if I cared about what the international community thought about us (as the United States of America), especially Europe, I'd move there. And if I were to move there, I'd move to Scotland or Japan. Mainly because my mother's family (ancestors) are from Scotland (I believe she said Ayr). I have a girlfriend that is of Japanese decent, so I'd live there if we married. However, I don't give a ripped goose about the international perception of our nation, so I'd more than likely never move there - EVER! Would I'd like for a couple countries to possibly like us a smidge, sure. It is NOT going to keep me up sweating at night though, as I feel most of the international community has no right to judge, and most of the European countries are full of arrogant and pompous people. Not every citizen, but many of them (especially France and Germany). The United Kingdom is the only one I really have much respect for, and maybe Australia, in terms of the international congregation. I, in turn, don't judge the governing or election of presidents or other officials in other countries, because it is not our right as Americans, to judge the people of some foreign country for electing their government. I don't like France's or Russia's governments personally, for example, but I don't judge their people for electing them. If that is the government and officials they choose to represent them, that is their right and privilege to do so. As far as the rest of your comments, while I understand your optimism; I consequently feel no promise at all, and feel that the world just got much more dangerous and deafening. I hope I'm wrong, but my impression of Obama is he will lay down to Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-Il (Hugo Chavez too), and put us in grave danger. Add to that his socialist redistribution plan, and I feel our economy will just tank more. Socialism has NEVER worked in any prevalent society, and it won't work here. Terrorists are licking their chops at the ideas and plans they can dream up!!!! That is my opinion, and many conservatives opinions. I, of course, respect your right to have your flowery opinion of the result, and bless you for having the confidence and optimism to feel that way. I, for one, can't muster either the optimism or confidence up... Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) :? :?: :cold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 arrogant and pompous? because Europeans have been critical of the US' policies? I understand that you care alot about your own country, but to say to hell with the rest is exactly why alot of non-Americans have a negative image of the US. I didn't say to hell with the rest of the world, I just don't define my vote, choices, way I live, or what I believe in or should believe in, on the opinions of other countries' citizens or governments. I say arrogant and pompous because these countries think they should have a say in how I should vote, live, think, etc. I don't care how any other country votes, nor should I, because it is not the purpose or business of me or any American to care about the such. If the people of France, Russia, or "Timbucktu" choose to elect an official I don't like, that is their business, not mine. Since France and Russia have leaderships I don't exactly like, I use them as examples. As for "Timbucktu," I don't care about their fantasy government, but it sounds like a great vacation spot for Spring Break! The point being, it is no foreigner's right or business who another country votes in, just that country's citizens... Thanks, --- vbprogjoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 We'll see how things progress, but this is definitely a step forward in international relationship, and if you don't care, you also don't care for your country. The problem is I do care about my country, and that is why I totally disagree with Obama. Because he, in my opinion, puts this country at a greater risk economically and security-wise. You obviously disagree, and that is fine, you have a right to. That doesn't mean that either is right or wrong, it just means we have opinions. And yes, I think that European governments are mostly all arrogant. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. P.S. : please don't try to say Obama is a socialist...if so, you don't know what socialism is. It sounds like you don't, actually. I'm not saying socialism in terms of Nazi or what Hitler executed as his form, nor a strict Marxist form, but a form of socialism nonetheless. Redistribution is socialism, no matter how you want to look at it. It isn't an evil, malicious form, but rather a naive and irresponsible type or preface. Please don't interpret my previous statements as me calling Obama a Communist (it is an unfair assessment), but rather a naive politician that could make our U.S. economy even worse than it already is. Sincerely, *** vbprogjoe (Joe W.) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I am going to repost an earlier page post of mine. I really want to know what others view on this. I did not get any responses and I am a very curious brown dude =P Here: """Im so happy right now but always wondered... If Obama was fully African American by US standards... (by my standards I feel that he is african american because his dad is african and his mom is american but in the US eyes he is a half and half lol) But if he was "fully black", do you think he would of gotten the support he has. Lets say instead of his hybrid, black and white unity inspiring background, maybe he was raised by two successful middle class afromerican parents, would he have connected with the majority of Americans who voted for him? He would have the same education, charm , charisma, record, and everything else. But that one thing would be changed. Tell me what you think. I have always wondered if him being part white played a huge role.""" I can only speak for myself, but I could care less about his race, religion, or ethnicity or creed. Take into account I voted for McCain, but I voted against Obama because I disagree with his policies and am leary of many of his associations. At NO time did I think about race, or that McCain was white and Obama was mixed - I don't care. If Michael Steele, J.C. Watts, Harold Ford Jr., or Angela McGlowan was running for President of the United States and I agreed enough with their policies (which I for the most part would with these particular candidates), I'd vote for them in a heartbeat. I don't see color when I choose my candidate, I see policy and issues. I hope that answers your question. Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 How do you know that I know socialist people? If true, that would put my Degrees of Separation from Obama number at 2! I guess conservatives wouldn't vote for you either. Just like you wouldn't vote for us... See we are on the same level of communication! --- vbprogjoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 So is McCain, care to exchange notes. Rightwing government is associated with dictatorships, so what. Your gonna get a taxbreak, and your crying about socialism? Give me a f*cking break. Socialism is in every form of government. Some more prevalant than others. Sure some elements of socialism are in every form of government. They are usually called entitlements. But Obama's form is straight out socialism in the form of redistribution, which can lead to many things. Some are positive, but most are negative in the end. Maybe your "great" Obama will solve all the woes (I hope he does for the good of America). However, I hold very little hope that he will, as he has shown very little ability to reach across the aisle anywhere. My main fear, what makes me sweat right now, is what most likely will happen is that all his socialist redistribution plan will do, is force even more companies to layoff people and/or outsource jobs due to the better tax breaks other countries offer and the lack of money they will be able to pay employees after Obama is finished with them. Not to mention the small businesses that will have to straight out layoff people due to a lack of overall profit and increasing overhead, and possibly, even worse, go out of business because the profits will just vaporize. That is my opinion, and you have the opposite. Why can't we just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Your guy won, congratulations. You and Europe will be happy. As for me, I'm worried and seriously concerned about the direction we will go in under Obama, but that is my problem. At least you are happy... Someone should be!!! Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP_Frost Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I didn't say to hell with the rest of the world, I just don't define my vote, choices, way I live, or what I believe in or should believe in, on the opinions of other countries' citizens or governments. I say arrogant and pompous because these countries think they should have a say in how I should vote, live, think, etc. I don't care how any other country votes, nor should I, because it is not the purpose or business of me or any American to care about the such. If the people of France, Russia, or "Timbucktu" choose to elect an official I don't like, that is their business, not mine. Since France and Russia have leaderships I don't exactly like, I use them as examples. As for "Timbucktu," I don't care about their fantasy government, but it sounds like a great vacation spot for Spring Break! The point being, it is no foreigner's right or business who another country votes in, just that country's citizens... Thanks, --- vbprogjoe actually, everybody has the right to speak up. In the case of the US it's even more important because if the US decides on something it pretty much affects the entire western world. Nobody is telling you what to do though, but you have to understand that whoever Americans vote for actually has consequences for citizens of other countries as well ... especially Western-European countries. Why do you think the entire world watched the elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 actually, everybody has the right to speak up. In the case of the US it's even more important because if the US decides on something it pretty much affects the entire western world. Nobody is telling you what to do though, but you have to understand that whoever Americans vote for actually has consequences for citizens of other countries as well ... especially Western-European countries. Why do you think the entire world watched the elections? They watched the elections because they were interested, had nothing else to do, or just wanted to see if Obama got in. Maybe all three, I don't know, and I don't care. As to the rights and privileges, no you don't have the right (if you live in a foreign country) to really speak to whether or not I made the right choice or not with my vote. Nor whether my country did, in my opinion. You can do it (speak up) if you want, I really don't care, but I have the right to not care what you think about my vote personally (because it is my personal choice). The same goes for the nation's overall consensus vote, you can speak up if you want, I guess, but I have the right to not pay attention to your objections if I wish. Only Americans are directly affected by our vote, not any other country. So only our opinion(s) really count in my opinion. Just like it really is not my place to comment, or have an opinion, or say another country was right or wrong in their vote. Only that country's citizens are directly involved or have "skin in the game." For example, I didn't agree with Spain's decision in their election, nor Russia's policies under Putin, or France's under Sarkozy (sic), but guess what, even though we as Americans (thus me by proxy) are indirectly affected by those votes or those country's decisions, it is NOT my business and not my place to comment whether I agree or disagree, like or dislike policies, or think other country's leaders are dimwits or geniuses. It is not my concern, and more to the point, I will mind my own business. Am I saying you can't opine, comment, speak your mind, or whatever if you want to? No. Go ahead, be my guest, but I don't give a goats spleen what you as a foreign citizen think, nor should you care what I think about your country's election results or government's policies. In my opinion, it is irrelevant, and has no place in the discussion. Americans can and should care about the American elections, and comment and opine (and I'll care about their opinions). I may not agree with the result of the election, like I do this one (I heavily distrust Obama's policies and associations), but I respect the voters opinions and the nation's overall consensus. Barack Obama will be my President come January 20, 2009. I won't like it, I really can't stop worrying about what doom he could possibly bring with his socialism, but he will be my President for better or worse. I'll give him a chance, but I don't have too much HOPE, period. I just don't care about the European, Asian continent, South American, and so on opinions. Just like you should NOT care about the American opinion of your country's politics, election results, and government. It is your country, not ours (only your fellow countrymen's and countrywomen's opinions and consensus count - NOT ours). My feeling is it is our country (U.S.), not yours. We should each mind each other's own business. I'm Sorry if that offends you or anybody, but that is how I feel. You have your opinion, I have mine. We are each entitled to have one. I just don't care what other country's think about my vote (or my country's), and you shouldn't be telling me I'm less of a person because I voted a certain way. I should not criticize your vote in your country, as it is none of my concern. If you want someone I don't like, it was your country's choice to make. You made it, and you live with it. We will have to live with ours. Thanks, --- vbprogjoe :roll: :shrug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Many non-Americans around the world have dislike for the US due to it's international policy. When they see the investment in foreign interests at the same time that the country has so much problems with social issues within it's own boundaries, it has been hard to respect the US. It definitely matters how the world looks at us because it impacts many aspects of foreign policy and how much influence we can wield without the threat of might. It impacts how we can build alliances on economic, social, and military fronts. Our image abroad impacts how voters in those nations support their leaders (or not) when America calls for help. Our image abroad is more important than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rome-o-phobe Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I voted for the first time ever (it was my first eligeble election) and I voted McCain....but I'm in NY, so it didnt do much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I guess conservatives wouldn't vote for you either. Just like you wouldn't vote for us... See we are on the same level of communication! --- vbprogjoe Hooray! I still would have won an election on Tuesday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Hooray! I still would have won an election on Tuesday! Maybe? Maybe not? You would lose if you ran against a real conservative who believed in Reagan conservatism... --- vbprogjoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 How do you know? Have you read my stance on the major issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 How do you know? Have you read my stance on the major issues? OK, you're right mostly there. However, if it is, in any way, how your posts have been on here, your stance on the major issues is that of a typical liberal Democrat. If you were running in a liberal "hotbed," say New York or Dane County in Wisconsin - you would DEFINITELY win. If however, you were running in a conservative "hotbed," like Louisiana or Texas, or Brown County in Wisconsin - you would DEFINITELY lose (I'd DEFINITELY win). Now if you were running in any traditional independent district, you'd still lose most likely, because most people are not going to go for your secular programs and stuff. Vermont might, and New Hampshire, because they are unique (and sometimes crazy). I will admit, however, I don't know you personally (and by proxy you don't know me personally), so I guess we can never be 100% sure. All I'm saying is you sound like a liberal Democrat (which is fine, it worked for your party in 2006 and 2008), but not everybody is on board with everything you would most likely say. Me, however, being a Republican-leaning independent, who supports mainly conservative values, they might be more willing to vote my platform. Of course, the fact that I support abortion and am willing to vote for some sort of a gay marriage bill (not forced upon certain requirements), would probably give you a 15% chance. Which is more than enough for you to pull out an upset given today's political climate. That's all I'm saying... Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 OK, you're right mostly there. However, if it is, in any way, how your posts have been on here, your stance on the major issues is that of a typical liberal Democrat. If you were running in a liberal "hotbed," say New York or Dane County in Wisconsin - you would DEFINITELY win. If however, you were running in a conservative "hotbed," like Louisiana or Texas, or Brown County in Wisconsin - you would DEFINITELY lose (I'd DEFINITELY win). Now if you were running in any traditional independent district, you'd still lose most likely, because most people are not going to go for your secular programs and stuff. Vermont might, and New Hampshire, because they are unique (and sometimes crazy). I will admit, however, I don't know you personally (and by proxy you don't know me personally), so I guess we can never be 100% sure. All I'm saying is you sound like a liberal Democrat (which is fine, it worked for your party in 2006 and 2008), but not everybody is on board with everything you would most likely say. Me, however, being a Republican-leaning independent, who supports mainly conservative values, they might be more willing to vote my platform. Of course, the fact that I support abortion and am willing to vote for some sort of a gay marriage bill (not forced upon certain requirements), would probably give you a 15% chance. Which is more than enough for you to pull out an upset given today's political climate. That's all I'm saying... Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe (Joe W.) Dude, this is just a personal opinion, but I can't even read your posts because of all the text effects. Do what you want, but it is ridiculously distracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbprogjoe Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Dude, this is just a personal opinion, but I can't even read your posts because of all the text effects. Do what you want, but it is ridiculously distracting. Well, at least one good thing comes out of it, actually two. You won't read my posts and if you do, it distracts or annoys you. LMAO!!! Seriously though, I really welcome that specific tip. Maybe I'll reduce my text effects by 5%, and unlike Obama, I'll actually try to keep my promise. Sincerely, --- vbprogjoe :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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