Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 interesting read here. i won't comment on what i think of this guy for bringing a glove to the stadium, but he does bring up some (and i say some) valid points. http://thehappyyoungster.mlblogs.com/archi...iller_park.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumpeteerNYR Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 hmm...that's a really interesting read. I don't know exactly what to think. He does make good points, and it seems the team's personnel was being unreasonable. At the same time, I would think it respectful to have handed the ball back in the first place. I don't know, but interesting nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 respectful yes, but i don't think the man should be required to do so. as a baseball fan, getting something of equal or more value shouldn't be out of the question. i mean it's his first homerun ball, which has more value than any ball they were gonna trade for. plus, he asked for two bats. i mean really, is that too much for a multi-million dollar corporation to provide? whatever happened to fan appreciation? i'm just saying, that not many people get to be in that situation, and what they do with it is their choice. but the guy wasn't holding it for ransom as the press made it sound. two bats. not season tickets. not $100,000. it was a request that i see should be easily fulfilled. i'm more interested to hear the "why" a hanley bat wasn't "possible." but it was interesting flipping through those photos, and all i could think of was how many d-bags i saw in those pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumpeteerNYR Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 ahahaha yeah...I definitely agree with you. Even at the lowest salary, these guys are making six figures. Fan appreciation is definitely something beginning to lack, not only in baseball, but other sports as well. Without fans, the sport is dead. He certainly wasn't holding the ball for ransom, took the logical steps to make sure it was handled properly... but yeah, fan appreciation. I wish more players realized what that means. A positive example of this...Derek Cox (CB - Jacksonville Jaguars) graduated from my college. At the first mini-camp, he stayed and personally shook every fan's hand who wanted to meet him, took time to talk, and autographed various things. I really wish this was more prevalent. Taking the extra 30 minutes to give back really isn't all that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rroy0824 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 well i think that he was right the guy wanted something for that ball, and why shouldn't he, he caught it at the sametime i think a lot of people wouldn't of even thought about geting any thing and would have just gave it back to him i think if he would have done that they would have treated him better and he most likly would have got something for free thats just what i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 yeah exactly. when i was younger, i remembered kevin mitchell had stayed after the game until 1AM to sign autographs outside the kingdome. then he left, but he got in his car and stopped about 20 feet short of the parking lot exit and got out to sign more autographs for the next hour. now i'm not expecting them to do this, but was it really TOO MUCH to get this guy two bats? i understand how some people can be turned off by the fact this guy tries to catch these balls; to which i reply: so what? this is what he likes to do. it's not like he's running around ripping the balls out of a 5 year-old's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 well i think that he was right the guy wanted something for that ball, and why shouldn't he, he caught it at the sametime i think a lot of people wouldn't of even thought about geting any thing and would have just gave it back to him i think if he would have done that they would have treated him better and he most likly would have got something for free thats just what i think i agree to an extent. but that doesn't always happen. the guy's a collector and was asking for something that i consider very little in return. the only greed i can see here is on the marlins side. it wasn't an extravagant request. it should've just been done and everyone would be happy. the guy shouldn't have to ask for anything in return, but in this day and age i can see that why he does because there is no guarantee he would've gotten even a thank you from the way the team behaved on this matter already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rroy0824 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 i agree to an extent. but that doesn't always happen. the guy's a collector and was asking for something that i consider very little in return. the only greed i can see here is on the marlins side. it wasn't an extravagant request. it should've just been done and everyone would be happy. the guy shouldn't have to ask for anything in return, but in this day and age i can see that why he does because there is no guarantee he would've gotten even a thank you from the way the team behaved on this matter already. i think your right, i mean as u see they thought 2 bats was to much, so he may not of gottin anything what i think that the marlins were thinking is that, they figured that 2 bats, one by hanley remirez, was worth a lot more then a ball hit by someone who may not be a star in the mlb. so i can see the marlins way of looking at it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rroy0824 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 heres another side of the story http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4168063 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgbaseball Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Personally, I think it's ridiculous to ask for anything for that ball. If it were me, I would've given Chris his ball and not asked for anything in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 which again was his rebuttal to that story. his accounts of it seems awfully different from what was in that story. but again, the marlins thought the hanley bat was of more value? i just don't get that. what difference does it make to the marlins? you pick up a bat that cost you a minuscule amount and you have hanley take 5 seconds out of his day to put his autograph on it. what value did the marlins lose? in return the guy gets his hr ball, and the fan is happy. that's just poor business practice the way i see it. this is baseball and is is a customer service industry. i just don't see how they needed to send out the media representative after he had already spoken to someone from the team; then the team psychologist; then the player himself. it was overkill if you ask me. it was a simple request, make it and you're done. now you have two sides that are bitter. i mean seriously, what did the psychologist have to say as to why he couldn't have it? if the fan was rude, that's fine. just handle it. i just still don't see how this was all necessary. if you read what that article said, coughlan was quoted saying, "He told me he goes around a lot and catches these balls and holds them for ransom -- even though he doesn't say that he does, it seems that way." again, which was it? did he say or didn't he? he said two contradictory things in the very same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 Personally, I think it's ridiculous to ask for anything for that ball. If it were me, I would've given Chris his ball and not asked for anything in return. yeah i would've too, but the guy asked. and i just wonder why it was too much to fulfill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeexDev Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Seems like that guy who caught the ball is a punk. Trying to take advantage of the situation trying to get all this memorabilia and threatening them about how he is a cop. Just give the ball back and accept a bat or two for it instead of asking for tickets and all these autograph things. Its the kids first hr in the majors and this punk guy is making a huge deal for giving the ball up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rroy0824 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Seems like that guy who caught the ball is a punk. Trying to take advantage of the situation trying to get all this memorabilia and threatening them about how he is a cop. Just give the ball back and accept a bat or two for it instead of asking for tickets and all these autograph things. Its the kids first hr in the majors and this punk guy is making a huge deal for giving the ball up. well in away your right he wanted 2 bat but was givin 1 so he asked for tickets instead of the 2nd bat but you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 how did he threaten them about being a cop? all he said was that he was a cop that tries to make an honest living. the point being was that he's not making hundreds of thousands of dollars off memorabilia or playing baseball. did you even read his blog? his was in response to this article. he was claiming all the inaccuracies in it. and he DID give the ball back...for a bat and the picture. what he had also asked for (the second bat) they refused. in place, he asked for tickets. which they said yes, but he hasn't gotten. they were the ones that wrote the article first. i think it's more than fair that he get his chance to tell his side of it. again, i'm not condoning the guy's take on it, but it looks to me like the team's the side making the big fuss over this in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumpeteerNYR Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Seems like that guy who caught the ball is a punk. Trying to take advantage of the situation trying to get all this memorabilia and threatening them about how he is a cop. Just give the ball back and accept a bat or two for it instead of asking for tickets and all these autograph things. Its the kids first hr in the majors and this punk guy is making a huge deal for giving the ball up. Playing Devil's Advocate, I don't think it was about threatening them that he was a cop - he was making a point that collecting baseballs is his hobby, and he makes a decent living working a respectable job, compared to the millions ballplayers make (also working a respectable job). I mean, his train of thought was correct...get the ball authenticated, meet the player, trade the ball for the bat. Personnel seemed to be uncooperative...but if I were him, I would've taken whatever they would've given (I'm sure it would've been something, considering that's pretty customary) and let that be all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim825 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The thing that rubs me the wrong way is that he didn't just ask for two of Goghlan's bats. He asked for one of his bats and one of Hanley Ramirez's bats. Why was Ramirez dragged into this? He had absolutely nothing to do with Goghlan hitting a home run. If he caught Brett Gardner's first home run, would he say, "I'll give you the ball if you give me one of Gardner's bats as well as one of A-Rod's bats"? I'd probably be like some of the others who have already posted and just given him the ball without asking for anything (maybe just having a picture taken with him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 and there's always more to the story. i can see why this guy is not liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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