XxFightingIrish Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I was going to update KG's recent rosters by changing player ratings and teams, I am most familar with the NL West, does anyone want to do any other divisions, and I was going to do it by managing the rosters in MVP 08 and then saving them and then taking the saved roster file and downloading it, and then putting it into their MVP 08 documents folder thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim825 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I was going to update KG's recent rosters by changing player ratings and teams, I am most familar with the NL West, does anyone want to do any other divisions, and I was going to do it by managing the rosters in MVP 08 and then saving them and then taking the saved roster file and downloading it, and then putting it into their MVP 08 documents folder thoughts? If you are using KG's rosters as a base, you would need his permission before you upload a modified version to MVPMods. If you want to just use it for your own personal use, that's one thing. But to release it for general use and claim it as your own mod wouldn't be ethical and the mod would be taken off of the downloads section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxFightingIrish Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 If you are using KG's rosters as a base, you would need his permission before you upload a modified version to MVPMods. If you want to just use it for your own personal use, that's one thing. But to release it for general use and claim it as your own mod wouldn't be ethical and the mod would be taken off of the downloads section. thanks for the heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathforwolf Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 is there any functionable editor for rosters because i have some problems with MVPedit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro23 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 is there any functionable editor for rosters because i have some problems with MVPedit Make a thread detailing your problems with MVPedit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathforwolf Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 i made some transfers in game and i saved it, can i edit these rosters in MVPedit? it looks its different format, is something to conversion or somezhing other what can i do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emath2432 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 i made some transfers in game and i saved it, can i edit these rosters in MVPedit? it looks its different format, is something to conversion or somezhing other what can i do with it? First, I'd like to point you back to the above response to your post. Make a thread detailing your problems with MVPedit. Next: I am not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about a franchise you have already started? If so, I think the only way you can edit it is with Tywiggin's MVP2005editor. MVPedit only edits the base rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Just out of curiosity how is it any less ethical to edit KG's work and post it then it is to edit EASports work and post it. Correct me if I'm wrong but noone has gotten permision from EA to edit this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emath2432 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Just out of curiosity how is it any less ethical to edit KG's work and post it then it is to edit EASports work and post it. Correct me if I'm wrong but noone has gotten permision from EA to edit this game. Trust me, you are not alone in feeling this way, but it has kinda become the norm for it to be okay to modify the companies work, but not an individual. Now, having said that, not all mods are really based on original EA work... Some are complete rebuilds from the bottom up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 It just seems odd to me. The idea of this site is so that people could share work that they did to improve the game. If fightingIrish wants to edit kg's rosters then he should be able to. I think we could make some pretty good rosters on this site if people were willing to share their work. It just seems absurd that you can steal EA's work make changes to it, then not allow anyone to do the same thing to yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpapifan Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 It just seems odd to me. The idea of this site is so that people could share work that they did to improve the game. If fightingIrish wants to edit kg's rosters then he should be able to. I think we could make some pretty good rosters on this site if people were willing to share their work. It just seems absurd that you can steal EA's work make changes to it, then not allow anyone to do the same thing to yours. I kinda agree with you ONLY if KG's work is mentioned and thanked for. If the guy charged for the work, then I guess i'd be wrong. But, if it's "for free", IMO you could edit to make 'em better. I mean, you'd be making everybody a favor. I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanBradbury Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Just out of curiosity how is it any less ethical to edit KG's work and post it then it is to edit EASports work and post it. Correct me if I'm wrong but noone has gotten permision from EA to edit this game. Here's my two cents: EA has an in-game editor for editing rosters. It would seem like that's permission to edit if you ask me. It would be like giving a person a paintbrush, paint, and a canvas and saying, "Okay here's your equipment, don't change it and don't let anyone see it." KG busted his bum creating his rosters. If someone changed one thing about his rosters, and posted it to MVPMods without permission, isn't that just plagiarism? -------------------------------------------------- Trust me, you are not alone in feeling this way, but it has kinda become the norm for it to be okay to modify the companies work, but not an individual. Now, having said that, not all mods are really based on original EA work... Some are complete rebuilds from the bottom up. It just seems odd to me. The idea of this site is so that people could share work that they did to improve the game. If fightingIrish wants to edit kg's rosters then he should be able to. I think we could make some pretty good rosters on this site if people were willing to share their work. It just seems absurd that you can steal EA's work, make changes to it, then not allow anyone to do the same thing to yours. I kinda agree with you ONLY if KG's work is mentioned and thanked for. If the guy charged for the work, then I guess i'd be wrong. But, if it's "for free", IMO you could edit to make 'em better. I mean, you'd be making everybody a favor. I think... -------------------------------------- Again, KG busted HIS bum making HIS rosters. For some user to make a few changes here and there, and the post them is crazy in my opinion. Back to my painting example: Let's say you created a wonderful masterpiece and release it to the public. Then someone else decides to add a brushstroke here and there then releases it to the public. How would you feel? Pretty offended, I'd guess. No difference, if you ask me. I might be the only one in this topic who thinks so but even if KG granted permission to everyone, my conscience would have trouble releasing a roster based on his. It shocks me people would even ask for his approval to release modified versions of his rosters. If some dufus somehow cracked my rating calculators' formulas and released them to a spreadsheet, I'd be so infuriated, there'd be no end to my rant. I'm glad there are rules against plagiarism here. People who commit plagiarism, in my opinion, are no better than thieves who steal at a store. When I was in school, I was so scared against accidental plagiarism, it would keep me up at nights. I really am dumbfounded at people who consider it. (Again, all just my opinion. Please take no offence, it's all my opinion, which I have a right to express.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgbaseball Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 At this point, my roster resembles EA's original roster in very few ways. Most of the players on EA's original roster have retired or been out of baseball. I've created thousands and thousands of new players, and done the attributes for them myself. Thousands of hours have been spent on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree with you in that plagiarism should not be aloud. According to Merriam Websters online dictionary Plagiarism is 1. to steal and pass off as ones own, 2. to use without crediting the source 3. commit litarary theft 4. to present as new or original a product derived from an existing source. So long as you are giving KG credit for the work he has done on his rosters I don't see that you would be plagarising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 "At this point, my roster resembles EA's original roster in very few ways. Most of the players on EA's original roster have retired or been out of baseball. I've created thousands and thousands of new players, and done the attributes for them myself. Thousands of hours have been spent on it." KG when you first did your roster did it resemble EA's. If so is it then ok to copy to start with just so long that in time it turns into your own. And are there any players in it that still resemble EA's original. If so how many, which then begs the question exactly how much do you have to change a roster to turn it into your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanBradbury Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 "At this point, my roster resembles EA's original roster in very few ways. Most of the players on EA's original roster have retired or been out of baseball. I've created thousands and thousands of new players, and done the attributes for them myself. Thousands of hours have been spent on it." KG when you first did your roster did it resemble EA's. If so is it then ok to copy to start with just so long that in time it turns into your own. And are there any players in it that still resemble EA's original. If so how many, which then begs the question exactly how much do you have to change a roster to turn it into your own. It would never be okay to turn someone else's roster and release it as your own. Again EA included an editor in their game, which in my opinion is inviting gamers to make their own rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanBradbury Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree with you in that plagiarism should not be allowed. According to Merriam Websters online dictionary Plagiarism is 1. to steal and pass off as ones own, 2. to use without crediting the source 3. commit litarary theft 4. to present as new or original a product derived from an existing source. So long as you are giving KG credit for the work he has done on his rosters I don't see that you would be plagarising. Well, in high-school plagiarism was if you used part of or anything that resembled someone else's work (with or without permission/credit). But we're not here to debate diction. I really cannot fathom how anyone who could think starting from someone else's mod and morphing into their own is acceptable. I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Most people here are starting with EASports game and morphing it into a mod, that is the whole idea of this site people are taking someone elses work (mvp baseball) and changing it without the permision of EA Sports then posting it for others to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Not to mention many of the stadium mods uniform mods ext. are using mlb logos or other copyrighted logos without permision, even the eamods symbol has been stolen from ea sports mvp baseball symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I honestly don't understand why you are having such a problem with this tyger. You are not a brand new member here (joined 2-24-07) so that means you should have an understanding about how things are around here. Many people alter the rosters after they download them to customize it for themselves. For example, they may download KG's latest roster and then go into MVP Edit and edit it and put themselves into the game, or edit one or more of the players on their favorite team for one reason or another. That's not a problem because none of these personal, custom edits on these rosters are never uploaded. But you want to take it a step further. You want to take the rosters that KG made and edit them as you see fit and then upload them to the site as your very own? Again, you have been here long enough to know that what you want to do is wrong. You do not go around taking another person's work without their permission (and I know you won't get it from KG because he's worked too long on these rosters) and make some changes on it and upload it and say it is yours. And for anyone in here who thinks you should be able to do this in here and it is ok to do so is as wrong as you are. Anyone who thinks this is no problem is not a modder themselves. Modders rights are protected here. Why you suddenly have to come out of the blue after two years of being a member here and want to do this to someone here is something I do not understand. I don't care how many reasons you can provide here or how many Webster's dictionary definitions you decide to throw at us here, what you want to do is not permitted here. We do not take other people's work and try to pass it off as our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyger Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I honestly don't want to do anything, I love KG's work and I know he will do a much better job on the rosters then I ever could. I am also not advicating that people should be able to take his work and pass it off as there own. I am saying that people should be able to take his work and edit it, giving him full credit for what he has done. Basically all I am saying is we are editing EA's work without permision, which is fine, but to edit KG's or another modders is not fine for some reason. I know it is an arguement I will not win it is just something for you guys to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I honestly don't want to do anything, I love KG's work and I know he will do a much better job on the rosters then I ever could. I am also not advicating that people should be able to take his work and pass it off as there own. I am saying that people should be able to take his work and edit it, giving him full credit for what he has done. Basically all I am saying is we are editing EA's work without permision, which is fine, but to edit KG's or another modders is not fine for some reason. I know it is an arguement I will not win it is just something for you guys to think about. There is nothing to think about. You can not edit his work without his permission and give him credit once you are done doing it. It is how it is and that all I am going to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathforwolf Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 is it compatible with MVP Baseball 2005 PC version? where can i download it, if its able for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emath2432 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 EDIT: You all already went past me with this conversation, so my input it a little late. But, my feeling all the same. In the end, as I basically say later in the post, rules are rules. Even if I don't agree with them, they are what they are. Y4L, I feel we have gotten to know, and understand each other to a point, so I hope I have your respect when I say this: At no point has he ever said that you should be able to change something, and upload it as your own. Rules are rules, and I personally have no desire to break them (out of respect for the work done by the modders), whether I 100% agree with them or not. He is simply saying, that if you can make something someone else did better by changing a few things, and you make sure that person gets credit for all of their work, and make sure people know what little you did, why is it so bad to share it with the world. I agree. The fact is, I have seen a mod created, based on another's work. The person stated that it was all someone else's but the parts he did. He never claimed it was his own, he boldly stated who did it, and what he changed. He even said he had gotten permission in the past to work with this person's mod, but not on this particular occasion. He was ripped to shreds by a few people (one who is in this thread, and a few others), and the mod was removed. Maybe, like Dylan, this is just my opinion, but.... Based off of my previous modding experience with High Heat, if someone can make something I did better, or more realistic.... Have at it. If it's better than mine, hell I will probably download it and use it myself. A simple mention of my name will make me happy. I'd personally make sure the down loaders know exactly what parts I changed, and that the rest is the original modders work, but what I expect of myself, and what I expect of others is always different. I personally have permission from Hyman to update his old Yankee stadium, and try to make it look more like new Yankee stadium. It's hard work, and I never was able to get it figured out. I had made some progress in zmod, but kinda got stuck, and moved on to other things. He was "excited" to see what I could come up with, and I would have had zero issue with using his work as a base. I also have permission to use jp_hidalgo's original all timers project as a base for a roster I am working on. I have changed 100% of the players ratings. I have changed about 40% of the players from ones that he included, to ones I thought should be included instead. The only reason I based my rosters off of his was because originally I had no intention of releasing it, and was just hoping to save a little time for my own personal use. I created the same mod in High Heat years ago, and started from scratch since I was originally going to upload that one (never did as the games usage had dwindled to the point it was a waste of time). Anyway, I had 2 or 3 people ask me to upload it when I finished, so I asked the original modder. I still have his PM, and his response was: Yes man, go ahead. It sounds perfect to me. I also have no issue with uploading it once I am done with it. Even with his work as a base I have spent HOURS on this thing, and I have his blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee4Life Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 is it compatible with MVP Baseball 2005 PC version? where can i download it, if its able for free? What are you talking about? Is what compatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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