Anyone Ever Notice This?

[JoeRudi26]

Was playing a game earlier tonight and noticed what looks like dirt spots in the outfield. I've played plenty of games in this stadium and have not seen this once. Not a big deal, just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

[Mike Z]

I've never seen that before.. Wonder why it's there

[GEOLINK]

 Was playing a game earlier tonight and noticed what looks like dirt spots in the outfield.  I've played plenty of games in this stadium and have not seen this once.  Not a big deal, just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

I don't think a lot of people play MVP PC anymore.

[emath2432]

I don't think a lot of people play MVP PC anymore.

Oh, I am sure there are still plenty of people who play this. Not like it was even 2 years ago, but they are out there. Once Spring Training rolls around, they will start to come around again.

[Maestro23]

Yeah Jay. After I saw this thread this morning, I fired up MVP. Sure enough, I've got those dirt spots as well. Using Pirate's Minutemaid Ver 3.

Funny I never noticed them until you pointed them out.

Of course, could be my new video card I got awhile back or I need to put the "adult" beverage down when I'm playing. :drinks:

[kado456]

It's the field & dirt textures usually found in Pirate's Mods. I've been in the process of converting a lot of Pirate's PC stadiums into Xbox versions and the first thing I started to notice was how the infield would degrade throughout the game and the little dirt patches in the outfield . . . I looked at stadiums Pre-mod to see if this happens it does, but the .BMPs are of such a low quality you barely notice . . . Just shows another one of the nuances of this game 5 years later.

[Trues]

It's from the grass & dirt textures The Big O and I did a few years ago. It's more noticeable because we removed most of the shimmer effect from the original textures. BTW, I have some new grass & dirt textures I've been meaning to update if I ever find the time. I think I sent you (Jay) the new textures for Kaufman Stadium a while back.

[Yankee4Life]

 Was playing a game earlier tonight and noticed what looks like dirt spots in the outfield.  I've played plenty of games in this stadium and have not seen this once.  Not a big deal, just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

Yes I did.

[JoeRudi26]

It's from the grass & dirt textures The Big O and I did a few years ago. It's more noticeable because we removed most of the shimmer effect from the original textures. BTW, I have some new grass & dirt textures I've been meaning to update if I ever find the time. I think I sent you (Jay) the new textures for Kaufman Stadium a while back.

Yeah, you did. Actually, here's the LINK to that thread. In it, I posted pics of Kauffman before and after you sent me the update. The new version looks great. My intentions in this thread weren't to complain, I just seriously had not even noticed this in all the time that I've played in this stadium.

But anyway, I'd be more than happy to get my hands on that new grass. :D

[Yankee4Life]

This thread makes me want to fire up another game of MVP. Hey, I think I will.

[JoeRudi26]

This thread makes me want to fire up another game of MVP. Hey, I think I will.

I hear you man.  I've been updating my rosters for the past week, and I finally cracked.  As you can see, the Astros roster isn't quite finished (Tejada, Ortiz in the linuep), but the game (as we all know) plays better than ever.  MVP may be dated, but it's still arguably the best baseball sim out there.

[Trues]

That looks like a fun game there. You were the Cubs, right? :)

[JoeRudi26]

That looks like a fun game there. You were the Cubs, right?

You know it.   B)

[kado456]

It's from the grass & dirt textures The Big O and I did a few years ago. It's more noticeable because we removed most of the shimmer effect from the original textures. BTW, I have some new grass & dirt textures I've been meaning to update if I ever find the time. I think I sent you (Jay) the new textures for Kaufman Stadium a while back.

Man I learn something new everyday here . . . Just grabbed the mod . . . I really wish I had been around back in the day when fresh mods were being dropped for the PC & Xbox . . . This website is truly a "WebGem" for those of us still enjoying this game .

[JoeRudi26]

Man I learn something new everyday here . . . Just grabbed the mod . . . I really wish I had been around back in the day when fresh mods were being dropped for the PC & Xbox . . . This website is truly a "WebGem" for those of us still enjoying this game .

You know, Sony can push their console baseball all they want, and I mostly agree with the masses that they've done a superb job with The Show.

BUT..

Bottom line is, I doubt if I'm going to be completely satisfied until I can get my hands on a PC title that is as solid (and moddable) as a High Heat or an MVP. Console baseball lasts as long as the next version comes out, but what I'm looking for will be the last baseball game I ever need.

And btw, I'm not so sure "moddable" is even a word, but you get my drift. :mellow:

[emath2432]

You know JR, I don't consider this game out dated at all. Just because it's not next gen graphics doesn't mean they are bad, and if we had new Yankee, and Target field to go with updated rosters.... To me, as long as the stadiums are updated, it is not out dated. Granted, we don't have anyone modding current stadium, so that throws my theory out of whack, but still.

Either way, some people left because of 2k, and most came back. I think the only reason traffic for MVP related stuff is down is because of the lack of new stadiums, and a 2009 mod last year. The 2009 mod didn't need to be anything fancy, just a total package upgrade to the 2009 season. It didn't need any fancy add ons. A few screens, rosters, faces, schedule (all already made up for the most part), and a Yankee stadium mod if one had been done, and this game is still going gang busters IMO.

Oh well, I'll be playing The Show this year for my current 2010 baseball, and MVP for my All-time Roster baseball fix.

[JoeRudi26]

Just because it's not next gen graphics doesn't mean they are bad

I agree with this statement 100%, it's just too bad that the game companies use this (graphics) as a primary selling point over actual game play. Having said that, it's not unwarranted. Look around at some of the other sports forums and mostly what you see pertaining to the new baseball titles have to do with "dirt on the uniforms", not "good enough cyber faces", not being able to edit batting stances, presentation/lack of, and so on.

The problem for the hardcore baseball gamers like us (you guys know who you are) is that we're limited in numbers, therefore the demand for tighter game play is somewhat at the bottom of the list. As I said, you can't blame the game companies for listening to the majority of their audience, they have to sell their title. It's just too bad, for us, that the majority are fair weathered baseball fans.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking anyone, I respect all who play and their respective styles, to each their own. But one day, ONE DAY, there has to be a Trip Hawkins out there somewhere that says enough is enough, and finally puts out a next gen PC baseball game that is directed toward the diehard baseball fan.

[Maestro23]

I agree with this statement 100%, it's just too bad that the game companies use this (graphics) as a primary selling point over actual game play. Having said that, it's not unwarranted. Look around at some of the other sports forums and mostly what you see pertaining to the new baseball titles have to do with "dirt on the uniforms", not "good enough cyber faces", not being able to edit batting stances, presentation/lack of, and so on.

The problem for the hardcore baseball gamers like us (you guys know who you are) is that we're limited in numbers, therefore the demand for tighter game play is somewhat at the bottom of the list. As I said, you can't blame the game companies for listening to the majority of their audience, they have to sell their title. It's just too bad, for us, that the majority are fair weathered baseball fans.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking anyone, I respect all who play and their respective styles, to each their own. But one day, ONE DAY, there has to be a Trip Hawkins out there somewhere that says enough is enough, and finally puts out a next gen PC baseball game that is directed toward the diehard baseball fan.

Agree 100% Jay. Like we were talking about the other night in other game genres: What some older games lacked in graphics, they made up for in gameplay. And these games kept us hooked (just like MVP). In so many cases these days, the Devs are just catering to their mainstream audience and focusing on the nice & shiny cosmetics and getting by with just enough programming under the hood to make it play. As you said, most casual gamers won't have a clue or notice as to the kinds of things concerning gameplay that we discuss here, but make a mistake on a players stance, get the wrong shade of color on a uniform, or mess up in one tiny thing on their stadium and they are rioting in the streets. :diablo:

[JoeRudi26]

Agree 100% Jay. Like we were talking about the other night in other game genres: What some older games lacked in graphics, they made up for in gameplay. And these games kept us hooked (just like MVP). In so many cases these days, the Devs are just catering to their mainstream audience and focusing on the nice & shiny cosmetics and getting by with just enough programming under the hood to make it play. As you said, most casual gamers won't have a clue or notice as to the kinds of things concerning gameplay that we discuss here, but make a mistake on a players stance, get the wrong shade of color on a uniform, or mess up in one tiny thing on their stadium and they are rioting in the streets.

And like I said, I mean no disrespect when I say "fair weathered" baseball fans. I am without a doubt a fair weathered NFL and NBA fan, and although I love to play those types of games, the game play isn't a life or death situation for me.

Baseball is a much different story.

[Maestro23]

And like I said, I mean no disrespect when I say "fair weathered" baseball fans.  I am without a doubt a fair weathered NFL and NBA fan, and although I love to play those types of games, the game play isn't a life or death situation for me.

Baseball is a much different story.

Same here. I have no ill-will toward them either. You see it in all game genres.

[emath2432]

You give me basketball, NFL, or Hockey, and I prefer more of an arcade style, up and down the field/floor/ice type of game.... But baseball... There is just something wrong with arcade baseball. I enjoy slug fests as much as anyone, but I can't play an entire season of them.

Man, a perfect game would be one tuned to play real life, but enough options, and sliders (or tune file options) to make it as arcade as you may like. Make it look pretty as well, and add as much realism as you legally can do... Then you have a friggin baseball game. Make it moddable, and you will be considered Gods among men.

A game that looks good, and can play any style of play you like (you want slug fests, dominant pitching, or true life, you pick), and it could make everyone happy. I just wish someone would see that. Don't cater to either side, make a good baseball game, and everyone will want it, because they can make it their own.

It took me years to get over here from HH to MVP, and I only have two issues with the game. I prefer a player editor like HH had, where players are based on real life stats, and perform fairly true to those stats. Games where you have to try and create a player using ratings (like MVP) is tough.

Also the batting. I don't like power swing/contact swing. I prefer it to be strictly stat/rating based. You make good contact, and the ball will do what the players ratings (and realistic ball movement/physics) tell it to.

[JoeRudi26]

I prefer a player editor like HH had, where players are based on real life stats, and perform fairly true to those stats. Games where you have to try and create a player using ratings (like MVP) is tough.

Don't get me wrong, MVP is far from the perfect sim. High Heat did so many things right, and IMO, has really yet to be topped in that department; tune file options, player editor, stats/ratings, mouse supported menu features (that were fantastic). All of which, along with realistic numbers, equaled a great simulation.

They really lost touch with HH2004 when they tried to sell to the mainstream (which I mentioned before) by upgrading the graphics engine, but totally depleting what set them apart in the first place. Only 2K9 tops that awful, console menu style interface which was more confusing than it was worth.

My whole point is, I think this is where High Heat lost me. I still loved HH2001, 2002, but in the meantime MVP had snuck in with, not only some next gen graphics, but a really decent product out of the box. After this site and the modders got a hold of it, there was just no really turning back for me.

I want High Heat's stat engine/menu interface, MVP's solid fielding/play mechanics, and Sony's graphics and presentation. Then, I might be throwing around the word 'perfect'.

[MarkB]

Don't get me wrong, MVP is far from the perfect sim.  High Heat did so many things right, and IMO, has really has yet to be topped in that department; tune file options, player editor, stats/ratings, mouse supported menu features (that were fantastic).  All of which, along with realistic numbers, equaled a great simulation.

They really lost touch with HH2004 when they tried to sell to the mainstream (which I mentioned before) by upgrading the graphics engine, but totally depleting what set them apart in the first place.  Only 2K9 tops that awful, console menu style interface which was more confusing than it was worth.  

My whole point is, I think this is where High Heat lost me.  I still loved HH2001, 2002, but in the meantime MVP had snuck in with, not only some next gen graphics, but a really decent product out of the box.  After this site and the modders got a hold of it, there was just no really turning back for me.

I want what High Heat's stat engine/menu interface, MVP's solid fielding/play mechanics, and Sony's graphics and presentation.  Then, I might be throwing around the word 'perfect'.

This one post pretty much covers the history of PC baseball gaming over the last 10 or so years. :good:

[scheckelkn14]

This one post pretty much covers the history of PC baseball gaming over the last 10 or so years.

I REFUSE to buy another baseball game for any console until the gameplay is up to MVP's standards... and even then, the modding the MVP offers is bar none...

[JoeRudi26]

I REFUSE to buy another baseball game for any console until the gameplay is up to MVP's standards

I sort of maintain this kind of thinking too, but luckily my birthday falls a few days after the (usual) release of the new titles in March.  SO.. I sort of get that "freebie" every year without having to take the blame for making the wrong choice.  

But I see your point, as of now, there really is no other choice.

Yet.