donjn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I know about as much about computers as anyone. I also now about game tweaking, XP tweaking, video card tweaking, etc. It is very insulting to hear someone say "adjust your video card settings". I have tried new drivers,(and properly uninstalled old ones). I have no conflicts, nothing much runs in the background when Windows starts. I can run Half Life 2, Doom 3 etc with full AA and AF with no problems. I have an Athlon XP 2800, with 1Gb ram and a Geforce 6800 card. I have done research on this for over a year by viewing many posts..My conclusion? This game has been designed for lower systems. Your laptop expereince supports this theory. From my research I have determined that on higher systems the camera moves quicker than the ball can catch up. This leads to the "three ball" ghost effect. When this game was coded, they made the camera movement dependant on the processor and frame-locked the ball. So therefore a slower processor and video card sees them moving together. Its really a mess. Trust me though, this is a coding problem, not a user problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EviLMonkey Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 When this game was coded, they made the camera movement dependant on the processor and frame-locked the ball. So therefore a slower processor and video card sees them moving together. You hit it on the head there. I am running a very high end machine as well (built to run Doom and HL2). For 2004, the only way I could slow the studdering to a playable level is to run AF @ 16X and AA @ 4X. The slower frames with the goodies cranked is effectively synching the ball and camera to an extent. This is very disheartening news to hear that its back in 2005. That was THE main thing that I was looking forward to having fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The H Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 1) I wasn't using a laptop this morning... it was a desktop PC. 2) I know a whole lot about computers... and a whole lot more than a lot of people too (no pun intended). It's been my line of work for the past 12 years (and I'm not talking about your typical tech-support, crappy job at CompUsa). 3) I did, on purpose, reproduce the same scenery in my 3 home PCs... which btw, go from mid-range (XP 3200, 1GB PC3200 RAM, ATI AIW 9800 Pro 128MB) to very good (P4 3.4Ghz, 1GB DDR2 PC4400, 6600 GT OC)to powerhouse (AMD A64 3800 @ 4000, 2GB PC4000, 6800 GT PCI-E @ Ultra Speeds)... and in all 3 happened the same... the game ran terribly the first time, with no video drivers adjustments whatsoever... yet, as soon as I tweaked them (for a lack of a better word), it was ALL SMOOTHNESS, ALL THE TIME. 4) I know it is a 'coding' problem... but at least this year, it has more to do with how your computer is set up than in last year's game, where all the problems were caused by EA and nobody else. So, enough with the 'conspiracy theories' surrounding this problem... please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBall5 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 'The H' ... could you be a bit more specific on what you did to the drivers? 'I tweaked them' doesn't really help anyone out. Was it the same tweak on all 4 computers? If not, how did you figure out how to tweak them properly and what exactly did you tweak? I would love to play without all this choppiness junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The H Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Vsync On, Aniso 4x or more, Anti-Aliasing 4x or more, 1280x1024 and a refresh rate of at least 75Hz (though this last one can change depending of your level of comfortness or the range of supported rates compatible with your CRT or LCD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Am I to assume that if I had no problems with the game in 2004 that I won't have any problems this year? I don't get the game until whenever it comes out here in Canada... BTW, the computer I've chosen to put it on is a Pentium 4 @ 1.7 GHz, 256 MB RAM, GeForce2 MX 400, Windows XP Pro. (can you say "spreadsheet computer"?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donjn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Why would you quote "conspiracy" theories. I never said anything about a conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovencore Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 no mvp 2004 ran perfect on my computer but i've had problems with 2005. i had to turn AA and AF up, but my grass still is all static. never assume anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubby Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Vsync On, Aniso 4x or more, Anti-Aliasing 4x or more, 1280x1024 and a refresh rate of at least 75Hz (though this last one can change depending of your level of comfortness or the range of supported rates compatible with your CRT or LCD). Thanks for your help. Do you do these things in the game menu or in your video card menu. Thanks. I will try it after school today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpup Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 the choppiness is rediculous. i have tried for the last 4 hours to get rid of it. I have adjust every setting from one way to another. i've done everything i can think of and it's not working at all. everything else looks great but the choppiness is killing me. i hope that someone can come up with something to squash it. Patch 1 should be one the way......hopefully. MVP 2004 runs as smooth as silk on my PC, 2005 isn't cutting it. I have got to get this fixed or it's a gamekiller. I love this game but my eyes can't take it anymore. MLB 2006 is coming my way next week, something better change before then or i'm done, after only 1 day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 the choppiness is rediculous. i have tried for the last 4 hours to get rid of it. I have adjust every setting from one way to another. i've done everything i can think of and it's not working at all. everything else looks great but the choppiness is killing me. i hope that someone can come up with something to squash it. Patch 1 should be one the way......hopefully. MVP 2004 runs as smooth as silk on my PC, 2005 isn't cutting it. I have got to get this fixed or it's a gamekiller. I love this game but my eyes can't take it anymore. MLB 2006 is coming my way next week, something better change before then or i'm done, after only 1 day. I'm glad I bought the Xbox version after reading stuff like this, especially considering that my computer isn't top-of-the-line. But from what I'm reading, it may be better to have an obsolete PC. Apparently, the ball traveling through the air is not synched with the camera movement so it causes the choppiness during gameplay. The Xbox version runs perfectly smooth. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpup Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 i'm not going to give EA another dollar until they step up their quality. there is simply no reason for this. poor job EA. guess my mod days are coming to an end sooner than i thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyeshane Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I too was having the choppiness that is being reported even worse than last year, which i can't understand since the developer said they had fixed this problem by removing base coaches, etc... My system is 2.4ghz, 1gb ram, 9800 radeon pro 128mb. I tried turning all bells and whistles off (AA, AF, etc) and still the choppiness remained. After reading here that this really wasn't a frame rate probelm but more of a syncronization problem I decided to turn everything to it's highest (8x AA, 16x AF, vsynch on, 75mhz refresh rate) and to my surprise the choppiness is pretty much completely gone. Now I don't believe I have what is considered a high end system any longer (maybe it was last year at this time but definately not now). So hopefully this will help some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmith7289 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Yes the choppiness is border-line unbearable...I dont know how to fix it and boy does it make me :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoggi Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 All this chatter about choppiness is just making me feel sick. Dont get me wrong, I agree with all of you. It doesen't matter what system you have or what res. you play at, it is choppy(stuttering, whatever). Why would they do this? It drove me nuts in 04.......I thought it was my computer. It was that frickin' game. All the other EA titles ran so good too. From what I saw on those preview trailers, I knew it would have the same issues of stuttering, you can see it. Also, the game is pretty well the same as last year. Same boring layout and pretty well the same comentary. They made a few tweaks but that's it. Like I said in an earlier thread. AN OVER NIGHT JOB! You blew it this time EA!!!! I was looking forward to this one so much too. All the $$$$$ I spend on their games and they cheap out on Frame rates! They pissed me off this time!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
five Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Also, the game is pretty well the same as last year. Same boring layout and pretty well the same comentary. They made a few tweaks but that's it. Well put, my sentiments exactly. Erg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmith7289 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 yeah but anyone looking for a different game top to bottom is surely to be dissappointed. I mean, not only is this EA but they even stated that it will be pretty much the same game with much needed tweaks...I love MVP but the stuttering sucks my ***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donjn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 MVP is worse this year. The ball is bright white, the grass textures look weird and move around when the camera moves. The players look worse and more cartoony than last year. There are jaggies everywhere nomatter what resolution you choose. Not to mention the choppy ball on high end systems. I have been buying computer and console games for over 25 years and I have never seen a product look this bad out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddy Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 All you guys with problems, have you updated your video drivers lately? Can you guys with problems post your system specs? I'm sure EA tested this game on a few systems before they shipped it out. Here are my specs and the game runs smooth <grass looks funny> but it runs smooth. I have ALL the settings maxed out! Athlon 1800xp GeForce Ti 4200 128MB 384 MB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseballfans Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 i'm not going to give EA another dollar until they step up their quality. there is simply no reason for this. poor job EA. guess my mod days are coming to an end sooner than i thought. Don't give up jpup, Cause the xbox version can be mod so whatever U done can also import back to PC. This is the last PC game for baseball so every mod will last for long time. And since there is so much complain for those with $200 -300+ plus graphics card , I am sure EA will make a update patch soon to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezdriver Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I first loaded the game last night and played with it a little bit and saw the stutters primarily on throws in the infield. I then changed my video settings for anisotropic(2X) and antialias(2Q) in display properties without vsync enabled(set at 85Hz). All of the latest drivers (graphic, audio and chipset) are installed. The game runs pretty well for the most part with the stutters still showing up occasionally on infield throws from 3rd to 1st. I use the aerial view with all settings at max, and the only graphic assist used is the fielder circle. Overall, the game is enjoyable to me compared to last years game that was totally unbearable and unplayable due to the stutters. I think with some good modding by you good people, I might just end up really liking this game. :thumbsup: Time will tell. ez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donjn Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 All you guys with problems, have you updated your video drivers lately? Can you guys with problems post your system specs? I'm sure EA tested this game on a few systems before they shipped it out. Here are my specs and the game runs smooth <grass looks funny> but it runs smooth. I have ALL the settings maxed out! Athlon 1800xp GeForce Ti 4200 128MB 384 MB RAM Your kidding right? Updated drivers? I have been researching this problem for a year now as it is the same as last years choppiness. The problem is that high-end machines dont run the game well. The processor moves the camera faster than the frame-locked baseball can handle, causing a ghosting effect. Your specs are just more proof of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ability Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Man.. ya'll are just some negative people... I agree the choppiness is a problem.. but EA took care of it last year with patch #1, and I don't doubt they'll do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dupontflames Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 just a quick question. i can't remember playing '04 without the first patch. by the time i bought the game, it was already out and i only played a few games without it. was '04 as bad as this game out of the box? how long did it take for the first patch to come out? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 what is chppiness exactly :?: :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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