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RE: The Mets' second positions.

I think Cairo should either be UTIL or INF (Probably a INF as a 2nd position). He has played both 1st and 3rd this year (He was the 1B this saturday vs. Cardinals).

Also: should Victor Diaz have a second position of 2B? I know he has only played OF in the majors, but was his natural position 2B, and then only started playing OF last year?

Should both Matsui and Reyes have second positions of 2b/ss? They did play those respective positions last year.

Thanks! Great idea!

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Ok I'm bored so I'm going to do something... Every player that should have a second position will be listed with their positions. This is coming from the Depth Charts on MLB.com. If there is something wrong on this list just say it, don't get upset. I took them straight off the Depth Charts listed on MLB.com unless I knew something was different. Everyone not listed on this list should only have one position, I made a note on some guys who were once thought to be utility players that have now settled into one position on here. I think this does a pretty good job of cutting down on the utility players who only play the infield or something like that. Like I said, if there's something wrong, just post the correction and if it seems sufficient I'll edit this post to reflect that. I'm sure you know your teams better than I do, I'm just going by the depth charts. One guy I'm looking forward to hear from is Millennium about David Newhan. The depth charts only had CF listed and I haven't seen them enough this year to know differently right off the top of my head. Anyway, I see this as a good starting point...

American League

Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos

Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF

Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF

Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util

Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF

Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF

Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B

Angels......Darin Erstad......1B Only

A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF

A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF

A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF

A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF

A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS

A's......Keith Ginter......2B......IF

A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF

A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B

Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF Only

Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF

Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF

Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only

Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B

Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF

Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF

Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF

Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez......LF......RF

Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF

Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......3B

Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B Only

Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF

Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF

Indians......Casey Blake......RF Only

Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util

Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS......IF

Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B

Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF

Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util

Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B

Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF

Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B

Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF

Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only

Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF

Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF

Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF

Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF

Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF

Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF

Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF

Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......OF

Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......SS

Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B

Royals......Craig Monroe......CF......OF

Royals......Marcus Thames......RF......LF

Royals......Jason Smith......3B......2B

Royals......Omar Infante......2B......SS

Royals......Brandon Inge......3B......C

Royals......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF

Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF

Twins......Nick Punto......2B......SS

Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B

Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B

White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF

White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF

White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......CF

Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF

Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B

Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF

National League

Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos

Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B

Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF

Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF

Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF

Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B

Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF

Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B

Braves......Brian Jordan......LF Only......

Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF

Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS

Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF

Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF

Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF

Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B

Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF

Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B

Cardinals......Albert Pujols......1B Only

Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......CF

Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF

Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......IF

Cubs......Todd Hollandsworth......LF Only

Cubs......Jeromy Burnitz......RF Only

Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF

Diamondbacks......Jose Cruz......CF Only

Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF

Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B Only

Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B

Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B Only

Diamondbacks......Shawn Green......RF Only

Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF

Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF

Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF

Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......RF

Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF

Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B

Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B

Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF

Dodgers......Jeff Kent......2B Only......

Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C Only

Giants......Pedro Feliz......IF......LF

Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B

Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF

Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF

Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF

Giants......Edgardo Alfonzo......3B Only

Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B

Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......SS

Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF

Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B

Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util

Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF

Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......3B

Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B Only......

Mets......Jose Reyes......SS Only......

Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF

Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B

Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF

Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF

Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF

Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B

Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B

Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF

Padres......Robert Fick......C......OF

Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF

Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......IF

Padres......Mark Loretta......2B Only

Padres......Phil Nevin......1B Only

Padres......Ryan Klesko......LF Only

Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF

Phillies......Tomas Perez......1B......IF

Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF

Phillies......Chase Utley......2B Only

Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......3B......2B

Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF Only

Pirates......Ty Wigginton......3B Only

Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util

Reds......Felipe Lopez......SS Only

Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B

Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF

Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF

Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B

Edited to correct:

Thank you McCarroll that was one of things I was looking at (the exceptions to my 15%)

Nice job.

And for the person that talked about Reyes and Matsui

I had them as my exception, because they played the position as recent as 2004. I would of kept the position as SS/2B for Reyes and vice versa for Matsui.

Another example would be Jose Cruz Jr. I would of left his 2nd pos as RF (due to fact he played their last year and only moved to CF to accomodate the arrival of Shawn Green)

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Thanks for those links kangarooboy.

KM, Jason Wylie exists and played for Daytona last year. I'm not sure where he is now. Maybe on the DL? Quit? I don't know.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/jason_wylie.shtml

Ok...thanks for the heads up. Wasn't sure...there are several DL guys that are on the rosters and don't show up as listed in the everyday columns, so I'm sure there are definitely exceptions.

KM

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For the Cubs' Diamond Jaxx AA affiliate, I recommend that Jason Wylie (who I don't believe exits), be changed to Rich Hill (SP): SP L L 6-5 205 3/11/1980 Prospect Michigan Boston, MA...as mentioned by a previous member, the list of Diamond Jaxx AA ballplayers can be found @ http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=8&a...&nid=313324

I'm sure there are others that can be tinkered with.

KM

I going to respond to you now as I am the one responsible for a good portion of the Cubs minor leagues.

First of all Wylie is real person who is on the dl. One thing those site won't tell you is who is on the minor league dl. As for Hill I did send Hill, along with Carmen Pignatiello, and Casey McGehee to Hypnoxx, who were all on AA last time I checked which was last week.

Now the problem I have is that when you ask who is this player is he real or not. You got to know something about that team as far who their prospects are and any prospects tehy get in trades they make.

Another thing is that not all the minor league teams have filled out their roster. For example the Boise Hawks a singel A affliate of the Cubs has not annouced their roster.

Another thing is that the single A teams on these rosters or at least the Cubs are mixed of some top prospects and those on the actual team.And one last thing, you want them to add players, but who would you get rid of. The Cubs have a maximum 100 players already.

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llcmac doesn't know it yet, but when I release v2.3 (I'm not sure when, perhaps tomorrow or wednesday), I'm going to pretty much take a break. Since llcmac's correct secondary position/kill fake UTIL's operation is underway (which I fully agree, way too many freaking UTIL's) I'm going to hand them back over to him to finish this operation. I also think we should work towards eliminating the Bent stance as well, as I really only think Rickey Henderson looks any good with it.

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Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF

Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only

Jay Gibbons should be listed as 1B and RF

Newhan should be OF and UTIL... he played 2 games at 1B and 17 at 3B last season but also has played 2B, LF, and RF in his career. This season he has even played some CF

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Ok I'm bored so I'm going to do something... Every player that should have a second position will be listed with their positions. This is coming from the Depth Charts on MLB.com. If there is something wrong on this list just say it, don't get upset. I took them straight off the Depth Charts listed on MLB.com unless I knew something was different. Everyone not listed on this list should only have one position, I made a note on some guys who were once thought to be utility players that have now settled into one position on here. I think this does a pretty good job of cutting down on the utility players who only play the infield or something like that. Like I said, if there's something wrong, just post the correction and if it seems sufficient I'll edit this post to reflect that. I'm sure you know your teams better than I do, I'm just going by the depth charts. One guy I'm looking forward to hear from is Millennium about David Newhan. The depth charts only had CF listed and I haven't seen them enough this year to know differently right off the top of my head. Anyway, I see this as a good starting point...

American League

Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos

Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF

Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF

Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util

Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF

Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF

Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B

Angels......Darin Erstad......1B Only

A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF

A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF

A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF

A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF

A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS

A's......Keith Ginter......2B......IF

A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF

A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B

Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF Only

Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF

Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF

Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only

Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B

Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF

Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF

Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF

Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez......LF......RF

Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF

Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......3B

Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B Only

Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF

Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF

Indians......Casey Blake......RF Only

Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util

Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS......IF

Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B

Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF

Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util

Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B

Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF

Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B

Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF

Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only

Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF

Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF

Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF

Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF

Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF

Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF

Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF

Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......OF

Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......SS

Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B

Royals......Craig Monroe......CF......OF

Royals......Marcus Thames......RF......LF

Royals......Jason Smith......3B......2B

Royals......Omar Infante......2B......SS

Royals......Brandon Inge......3B......C

Royals......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF

Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF

Twins......Nick Punto......2B......SS

Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B

Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B

White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF

White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF

White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......CF

Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF

Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B

Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF

National League

Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos

Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B

Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF

Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF

Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF

Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B

Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF

Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B

Braves......Brian Jordan......LF Only......

Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF

Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS

Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF

Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF

Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF

Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B

Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF

Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B

Cardinals......Albert Pujols......1B Only

Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......CF

Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF

Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......IF

Cubs......Todd Hollandsworth......LF Only

Cubs......Jeromy Burnitz......RF Only

Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF

Diamondbacks......Jose Cruz......CF Only

Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF

Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B Only

Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B

Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B Only

Diamondbacks......Shawn Green......RF Only

Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF

Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF

Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF

Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......RF

Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF

Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B

Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B

Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF

Dodgers......Jeff Kent......2B Only......

Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C Only

Giants......Pedro Feliz......IF......LF

Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B

Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF

Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF

Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF

Giants......Edgardo Alfonzo......3B Only

Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B

Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......SS

Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF

Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B

Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util

Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF

Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......3B

Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B Only......

Mets......Jose Reyes......SS Only......

Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF

Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B

Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF

Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF

Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF

Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B

Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B

Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF

Padres......Robert Fick......C......OF

Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF

Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......IF

Padres......Mark Loretta......2B Only

Padres......Phil Nevin......1B Only

Padres......Ryan Klesko......LF Only

Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF

Phillies......Tomas Perez......1B......IF

Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF

Phillies......Chase Utley......2B Only

Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......3B......2B

Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF Only

Pirates......Ty Wigginton......3B Only

Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util

Reds......Felipe Lopez......SS Only

Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B

Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF

Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF

Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B

Edited to correct:

Very Very impressive and comprehensive list, I have a few corrections that could be made to the list from what youve already gathered.

I would possibly change ginter to make 3b his second position because hes not real likely to get any time at short, hell oakland isnt even real comfortable with mark ellis at short and he is pretty good defensively.

Frank catalonotto could be a great great utility player if toronto would use him like he is meant to be used like texas used him. He could have a second position of utility if llc and hypp think he should.

Eduarado perez I think should have 1b as his second position as that is where he is best defensively and gets some time there.

Nick green and jorge cantu are almost the same defensive player but if either of them should have if as there second position it should be cantu as he is more likely to play short.

Alex gonzalez should have second as short I dont know why any team would play him at third he doesnt hit enough.

Casey blake is kind of debatable he could play third, hell he should be starting at third over boone and put jody gerut in right but boones contract says otherwise.

Peralta if he isnt playing short he will on the bench or at third, he actually projects as a thirdbasemen because of his body type. Many in the front office actually beleive he will follow the same path as thome, short to third to first. Scary isnt it jim thome playing short.

Newhan millenium will back me up on this he is the ideal utility player all except for his arm. He can hit and is fast and hustles can play anywhere except short.

Marrero secon position should be 1b he has actaully been starting at first a few games a week.

Mcewing second should be utility yes hes terrible at every position but hes a util.

The tigers are tough infante and inge are guys who were utility last year but now are full time at one position so im not sure what you do with them.

Punto as previously stated is a utility guy who has played everywhere and has been getting loads of time a second.

Willie harris see punto except for the starting gig.

Mike lamb he was playing lf early this year and terribly i might add but he looks good with 3b and 1b.

Jason Repko can play all three of spots and is good defensively at all three.

Kent I would say should have 1b as his second, before perez and valentin went down and saenz got hot there was the liklihood that kent would slide over to first with perez playing second against lefties.

Feliz the guy can and has played every except 2b and cf.so whatever his main position is he should be a util.

Damion easley needs to atleast have a second position of IF and possibly util. Heres his games played from 2004-05, 18 at first, 40 at second, 19 at short, 7 at third, and 5 in right feild.

Chase utley should only be 2b and 1b.

Mackowiak should be 3b and util or if you wanted to keep him being util make him cf/IF.

Wiggington should be 1b as his second position hes been playing there against lefties since wilson went down.

Felipe lopez should be ss/ IF he has been starting at second over jimenez lately and is also an option at third.

But as I said before a very good list youve made.

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I going to respond to you now as I am the one responsible for a good portion of the Cubs minor leagues.

First of all Wylie is real person who is on the dl. One thing those site won't tell you is who is on the minor league dl. As for Hill I did send Hill, along with Carmen Pignatiello, and Casey McGehee to Hypnoxx, who were all on AA last time I checked which was last week.

Now the problem I have is that when you ask who is this player is he real or not. You got to know something about that team as far who their prospects are and any prospects tehy get in trades they make.

Another thing is that not all the minor league teams have filled out their roster. For example the Boise Hawks a singel A affliate of the Cubs has not annouced their roster.

Another thing is that the single A teams on these rosters or at least the Cubs are mixed of some top prospects and those on the actual team.And one last thing, you want them to add players, but who would you get rid of. The Cubs have a maximum 100 players already.

Hey man...no offense, don't get too bent out of shape...I did my research, couldn't track down the guy (meaning Wylie) and didn't see the other guys you mentioned on my current 2.2 rosters...maybe they were cut out accidentally or something, but I'm sure I don't have them listed. And yeah, I know about the Cubbies and the minor league affilliates to a certain extent (more about Iowa and Boise than any of the others, that's probably why I didn't catch the Wylie bit, etc.). I live here in Boise so I have a solid knowledge about their team for the upcoming season (they held a brunch and meet-and-greet last week). Anyways, since you're the one who did the rosters for the Cubs, I commend you on the hard work. But just because I ask a question (which you may feel is juvenile in its execution), doesn't mean you have to take it personally. If you'd like, I'll keep track of the Hawks and their movement this summer, just so you can have somebody (worth the time) looking out for your Cubs rosters. Peace.

KM

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I going to respond to you now as I am the one responsible for a good portion of the Cubs minor leagues.

First of all Wylie is real person who is on the dl. One thing those site won't tell you is who is on the minor league dl. As for Hill I did send Hill, along with Carmen Pignatiello, and Casey McGehee to Hypnoxx, who were all on AA last time I checked which was last week.

Now the problem I have is that when you ask who is this player is he real or not. You got to know something about that team as far who their prospects are and any prospects tehy get in trades they make.

Another thing is that not all the minor league teams have filled out their roster. For example the Boise Hawks a singel A affliate of the Cubs has not annouced their roster.

Another thing is that the single A teams on these rosters or at least the Cubs are mixed of some top prospects and those on the actual team.And one last thing, you want them to add players, but who would you get rid of. The Cubs have a maximum 100 players already.

Dave Crouthers comes to mind too...if he quit baseball, no need in having him on the rosters...also, anybody that is currently on the 60-day DL or has the potential to be (based on 15-day DL extension or the potential for them).

KM

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keith reed of on the orioles is black not white

steve karsay signed with texas AAA

steve sparks signed with oakland AAA

ryan glenn traded by toronto to oakland AAA

scott hodges 3b signs with wash. AA

import rp carlos reyes from mvp 2004

rick reed rp padres AA is retired (delete)

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keith reed of on the orioles is black not white

steve karsay signed with texas AAA

steve sparks signed with oakland AAA

ryan glenn traded by toronto to oakland AAA

scott hodges 3b signs with wash. AA

import rp carlos reyes from mvp 2004

rick reed rp padres AA is retired (delete)

they fixed keith reed in version 2.2

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couple more fixes...

-Corwin Malone AA CHISOX : should be black

-Steve Schmoll AAA LADodgers : should have submarine style

-Ed Yarnell AAA WSH : change body type to athletic

-Octavio Martinez AA BALT : clean shaven

-Alejandro Freire AAA BALT : black hair

-Sal Fasano AAA BALT : clean shaven

-Ed Rogers AAA BALT : face 10

-Eddy Garabito AAA COL : face 11

-Jeremy Accardo A SF : should be white, clean shaven, #59

-Dan Ortmeier A SF : clean shaven

-Kris Wilson FA to Columbus AAA

-Kurt Suzuki AA OAK : should have face 6, black hair

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Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but we seem to have a couple of free agents in this roster by the names of llcmac and HypnoxXx, and man, do they suck :wink:

I had to scroll so far down the free agent list to find these guys. They're among the "This player will probably be a career minor leaguer..." group. :D

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Jason Philips of the L.A. Dodgers is not slim & does not weigh 177 pounds. He weighs 210 pounds.

Dontrelle Willis should be listed as Athletic big legs, not stocky big legs.

Juan Rivera of Texas is at least 235 pounds. (no matter how the MLB site lists him.) Also, he is not slim, he is plump.

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