krawhitham Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 As for us making Anaheim, the LA Angels, isn't their a mod on this site already? yes the Generic Roster, name changer work with this roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hory Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 ID Changes NYM-AA Bob Malek change from 8322 to 2961 NYM-A Nick Evans change from 0 to 8356 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well it's obvous I don't have tickets to tonight's game against the Blew Crew (Well maybe not, SBC has a nice WiFi setup that I've used on occasion). After last year, never again will I blow my money and freeze my butt off when "Woody" is on the mound. Next game for me is Fri. when my avatar is on the mound. I've got the game on along with HypnoxXx's DBacks vs. Cubs on ESPN in PIP on the tube and Angels-Rangers on the laptop, so I'm set. I know I'm killing some of you out there, but come on, there are 15 pages of guys arguing about batting stances. Some even are disastisfied if the VISA logo on the LF fence should be MasterCard. Or the patch on the uniform is not centered. What no arguments over "real-life" pitches? I'll keep going until HypnoxXx or llcmac ban me from this thread. Here are Cincy's Minors AAA- Louisville T. Coffey “…lack of a 3rd pitch limits him to one turn in the order…†(no changeup) Childress- “…fastball picked up to 90-93 mph…his breaking ball is a slurvy hybrid…after showing progress w/ a changeup earlier in his career, he never gained the feel for it…he needs to throw more strikes…†Belisle- “…curveball and changeup are fringe-average..needs to gain consistency w/ his sinker…†AA- Chatanooga R. Gardner- “…has the best command in the organization, throwing 3 pitches for strikes…keeps his plus sinker down while throwing it at 90-94 mph…slider kept improving over the course of the season and now rates as best in the system…changeup mimics his fastball w/ late sink…slider gets slurvy, though he has improved its consistency and bite…†T. Pauley- “…fastball got him drafted and remains his best pitch…it touches 95 mph, sits in the low 90s…has picked up a nifty, sweeping slider…above-average pitch at times…changeup has shown flashes of brilliance…changeup will determine if he’s effective as a starter…next test will come in AA…†B. Kozlowski- “…fastball velocity was solid, though more in the high 80s instead of the low 90s he used to flash…his once-plus curveball wasn’t biting as it has in the past…leaving him w/o a K pitch…never has pitched in AAA and ’05 seems like the right time…†S. Kelly- “…will head to AAA for 1st time in ’05…curveball is no longer considered a plus pitch, but it’s solid-average (?), as are his changeup and a slider he has added…commands his 86-88 mph fastball well…holds runners and fields well…†Needs to be created or imported David Shafer-RP, RHP “…worked both as reliever in ’04, finishing the year as high Class A Potomac’s closer…could open 2005 in closer role in AA…fastball sits at 88-92 mph and reaches 94…is always around the plate and works well w/ his slider…has worked on a changeup that he would need as a starter…†E. Ramirez- looks correct All other pitching prospects in A or R ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmfan16 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 I don't know if this was mentioned or if it's possible, but Billy Koch might as well be deleted in the Ultimate Roster Project. Here's why: We asked Koch, released five days ago by the Blue Jays, if he was going to play with another team. "Nope," the relief pitcher said firmly. "I'm going to make the Toronto Blue Jays pay every cent of my salary." http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/S...976773-sun.html Then again, he could also change his mind and sign with another team... up to you guys obviously what to do with him in MVP. Keep up the great work. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 why delete any player, just move them to the FA pool, I still have not figured out why they are deleting players that have faces and portraits built into the game Just move them to the FA pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 The only people I delete are those who retire or go off to Japan--they won't be playing in the majors, so why have them in the rosters? I wouldn't delete someone like Koch (other reports says he'd consider playing for the DRays, btw). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 <sarcasm> You deleted Barry Larkin DAMN you so what if he retired and took a front office job </sarcasm> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Just putting stuff down on the thread as i see it on the games tonight. I'll refer back to it later. Brendon Donnelly- working on 2-seamer during spring training, will only use during blowout until refined (via announcer) Todd Jones (FLA)- now throws a cutter, throws consistent 93-94 T. Walker, J. Christainsen (SF)- They will suck in ratings when I get done w/ them. R. Mahay (TEX)- fastball, slider (87 mph), circle change (83 mph), split (via Rex Hudler) Choi/ Saenz platoon at 1B Shouse (TEX)- straight sidearm, throws slider (81 mph) and curve/slurve (73 mph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 O's updates: Daniel Cabrera was throwing a 92 mph 2-seam fastball tonight. Not a great amount of movement, but it was there. Rick Bauer throws in the 89-92 mph range with his fastball, and his sinker was around 87 tonight. Kirk Saarloos is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupelebo Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 we'll have another update after the opening week for this roster or this is the last version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Blues Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Royal Blues & Hollinger, Welcome to the Ultimate Roster. As you'll notice, a lot of suggestions and corrections are yet to be made. As for your errors: The authors have only offered the DAT version of the rosters. You don't need to use MVPedit to install them. BUT if you want to keep your other roster, so you can use it later, save it in game. Now extract the Ultimate Roster files (excluding the ReadMe, although it won't hurt) directly into your MVP/data/database file, bypassing MVPedit. Say Yes to All to overwrite. Then if you want import these files into MVPedit, being sure to select the database file (open data file and select database). Now you can make adjustments to any ID #'s. I don't get the error when opening the FA list or don't see any FA duplicates. Just players that were released from their original teams who are in limbo right now. I must have done something wrong then, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it was. I took my backup dat files and dropped them back into the database folder, then dropped the Ultimate dats back on top of them, and now it works like a charm. Not sure why there would have been a conflict between the dats from JackCasper's mbe dats and these. Anyway, thanks for a job really well done so far...I'll be scouring the Royals' rosters for any help I can give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Really rough guideline I used last year was using John Sickels' prospect handbook (since he, like me, tends to grade somewhat conservatively). A or A+ = 5 B+ or A - = 4 C+, B- or B = 3 C or C- = 2 Prospects not in the book = 1 If my TotalMinors potential projections (which are not part of the prospect creator sheet, but I should really add again) said something drastically different than this I adjusted, but basically this was how I did star rating. GH If anyone has this year's Sickels' handbook, could someone see if they could roughly determine the breakdown of GForce's suggestion above. Why do I ask? I respect GForce's method but I am very cautious on using strictly Sickels' grades. Why? The BA Top 100 is a consensus of MULTIPLE writers who go through many verbal and written haggling sessions. Matt Cain's selections in the 4 lists in the book are: #11, #21, #17, #10. His overall is #13. I would like to get an idea of 5 stars, 4 stars, etc. in GForce's method and possibly apply them to the Top 100 list. That would be my idea on the most equitable method in determining star potential. In my studies of pitches, it is obvious what one scout sees, another doesn't. I don't think this is very different from potential. What one evaluator sees in a prospect, another doesn't. A consensus list is much better, in my opinion (I know I'm NOT the CREATOR of this roster. Just one man's opinion). I'd like to get opinions from readers of this thread. I will post the Indians pitchers tomorrow. I'm almost done. I had a side issue I'll bring up tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbmagicfan Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 bbythepier i admire your great work. You seem very Knowledge when it comes to Baseball. just wanted to say thanks for posting some great stuff for the roster maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 I have asked Baseballfanatik if he would like become the "Info Gatherer" for me, if he accepts, I'll have a good list of changes/updates/fixes/CAPs and will probably begin work on updating next Monday. I plan on releasing at least one "fixed" update to hopefully clear up all the loose ends before we begin work on creating AA. Hopefully within a week or so, we'll have a dependable source or 2 or 20 on Minor League Rosters so that we can start chipping away at that. But as I just said, expect a 1.1 release to expand upon and fix any mistakes of 1.0. I encourage all of you to post any fixes that need to be made, as I must admit, it was kind of frustrating to see only a few posts between 0.1 and 1.0 (so I thought the rosters would be pretty accurate) and then a literal flood of fixes come in the past few days since the release of 1.0. Anyways, my point is, be critical of any mistakes NOW, so that we can get a solid foundation set and we can begin work on AA and A sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectra Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Cubs: Ryan Dempster - change from RP to SP with more stamina than 44 (I have mentioned this previously in the thread but in case you missed it). Aramis Ramirez - has signed a new 4 year contract worth $42 million, average of $10.5 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 As bbythepier mentioned Big victor got a new deal. Also the thing I forgot to add the other day, why is Robert Stratton a renamed top 100 prospect? The reds top 100 are homer bailey, edwin encarnacion and richie gardner, by the way the indians are missing a top 100 guy OF Brad Snyder ,also while on the top 100 thing fausto carmona on the indians is not a top 100 guy, that spot goes to LHP Jeremy Sowers. If it would help I would repost the top 100 again so you can double check all of them and use it as like a checklist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForce22 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 If anyone has this year's Sickels' handbook, could someone see if they could roughly determine the breakdown of GForce's suggestion above. Why do I ask? I respect GForce's method but I am very cautious on using strictly Sickels' grades. Why? The BA Top 100 is a consensus of MULTIPLE writers who go through many verbal and written haggling sessions. Matt Cain's selections in the 4 lists in the book are: #11, #21, #17, #10. His overall is #13. I would like to get an idea of 5 stars, 4 stars, etc. in GForce's method and possibly apply them to the Top 100 list. That would be my idea on the most equitable method in determining star potential. In my studies of pitches, it is obvious what one scout sees, another doesn't. I don't think this is very different from potential. What one evaluator sees in a prospect, another doesn't. A consensus list is much better, in my opinion (I know I'm NOT the CREATOR of this roster. Just one man's opinion). I'd like to get opinions from readers of this thread. I will post the Indians pitchers tomorrow. I'm almost done. I had a side issue I'll bring up tomorrow. I can understand that take, which is why I said I adjusted Sickels' ratings based on my own TotalMinors projections...but I like Sickels because he's conservative in his grading as I am. BA tends to get WAY too tools happy. And they will also jump a guy from mid-level to top prospect based on one year, which I don't buy into. Obviously these guys follow the minor leagues more than I do, and I value their scouting reports greatly. But there are lots of times when I read their scouting report and say "so why is this guy rated so highly if he needs to work so much on A, B, C and D." They also will put guys higher who haven't really done anything yet, which kind of strays from my philosophy. Basically, BA's scouting reports to me are absolutely invaluable, but their rankings I question a lot. For example, for a few years, Bobby Jenks was touted as a top 5 Angels prospect, top of the rotation guy because he threw 100 miles an hour...problem was, he couldn't find the plate with a map. But his tools dictated he was great...all well and good, but lots of guys have had tools and gone nowhere with them. Again, just personal philosophy. And it ain't my project, so they can obviously do as they wish. GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsports Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Last time I checked, Killebrew and Stargell weren't still active major leaguers (i.e. we arent fixing legends, we're trying to create accurate modern rosters) but their postions are wrong You can put the players and pitchers who have signed a contract Overseas on the free agent pool because they might just decide to come back this year You can also add any player or pither retired but not in the Hall of Fame yet on the free-agent pool In your next update can you take all the photo's/faces/portraits that are available to download and put them in your rosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smart88 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 You can also add any player or pither retired but not in the Hall of Fame yet on the free-agent pool In your next update can you take all the photo's/faces/portraits that are available to download and put them in your rosters no, because he would have to contact every modder and make sure it's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntdgg711 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Anyway, thanks for a job really well done so far...I'll be scouring the Royals' rosters for any help I can give. Royal Blues - Hey, I'd love to help you with any Royals roster info if you'd like - we could form a team! haha...speaking of teams, the Royals are going to have to PLAY like a dang good team to do well this year. But honestly, I'm excited to watch them this year, VERY excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Brooks Kieschnick signs a minor league deal with the Astro's ; assigned to triple-A Round Rock. I guess he heard about Round Rock pitchers being able to bat twice everytime through the order. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Thanks jb, It's fun to be around people interested in baseball as much as myself. While again I'm not sure what %'s GForce uses for determining a player's ratings, my take is this. I HATE projections like ZIPS or Pecota but often they're a useful tool. If a player has a 2-3 year background in the league, I'd much rather weigh more heavily on those than their projections (Freaks like Bonds, R. Johnson, Clemens, or even Moyer have destroyed or at least severely altered the age factor in projections). But w/ a guy like S. Kazmir, how are you supposed to guess how he'll do with only 7 starts. You guessed it, projections. What am I getting at? Lets look at the top 5 pitching prospects in our roster. Why are you bringing this up again? Well, because it applies to the next team I’m working on. I understand age, potential, blah, blah: but let’s look at the top 5 pitchers on Baseball America’s list (not yours, mine, or your girlfriend’s) and their in-game ratings 2.. F. Hernandez Age: 19, already pitched in AA Fastball 87 , Curve 73, Slider 71, Change 62 7. S. Kazmir Age: 21 , in MLB Fastball 91, Slider 82 , Curve 67, C. Change 66 13. M. Cain Age: 20 , already pitched in AA Fastball 74, Sink 73 , Curve 71, Change 54 16. A. Miller Age 20 , pitched no higher than A ball 4-Seam 91, Slider 80 , 2-seam 73, Change 53 19. Billingsley Age: 20 , already pitched in AA Fastball 83, Slurve 73, Slider 64, Curve 62 (the pitches are off, but we’ll fix that later) OK, what's all this stuff mean. Well, there sure is no pattern in the ratings. First let's start w/ 2005 Think Factory projections: Felix Hernandez: 4.19 ERA 26G 144.0 Inn. 131H 64BB 143K 17HR Scott Kazmir: 4.76 ERA 26G 123.0 Inn. 111H 76BB 125K 13HR Matt Cain: 5.05 ERA 24G 130.0 Inn. 127H 70BB 119K 19HR I honestly can't find Miller's and Billingsley's projections, any help? (Preferrably the one's from Think Factory's Dan Szymborski. [Here's where I looked for Miller's, but doesn't the actual teams rated look like the Angels, DBacks, Tigers, and Reds and some strays: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/..._build_4_11_13/ I do however see a pattern. Hernandez's stuff should be better than Kazmir's, who's stuff should be better than Cain's, etc. Now no ERA will tell you what a guy throws, but his overall ratings of his repertoire will determine how good he is over a season. That's why R. Johnson gets a 99 fastball & slider. So it was impossible for me to do the Indians Adam Miller without doing Hernandez, Kazmir and Cain first. If anyone out there is checking on me, here's where I found Cain and Hernandez. They're in there if you look. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...inals_mariners/ Kazmir's is in here: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...gers_blue_jays/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well it is now official, baseballfanatik is now the official secretary of Ultimate Rosters. He will be keeping track of all the suggestions and changes posted on the thread so that my job will be much, much easier. As I said earlier, I hope to begin work on an update next Monday, and thus, version 1.1 could be out by later next week (no promises)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Few more indians corrections, Brandon phillips Positions should be shortstop with infield as his second. Also Ill let bbythepier look into him but Jake Gautreau needs to be created he will likely be the third basemen at buffalo this year. Also who is jake thrower on double a akron? I have no clue who he is. Ok I found out that thrower actually is a real player and will likely play in buffalo. Got some info on gautreau also http://www.bisons.com/pressbox_roster2.php3?playerID=108 Also John rodriguez who played for the clippers last year is now on the bisons but I beleive in the rosters he is still on the clippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbmagicfan Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 baseballfanatik is there a way you can make a list what you gather for changes? This way we dont have to worry if Hypnoxx has the info. and people dont have to keep posting over and over the same corrections. Maybe you or Hyponxxx can start a new thread and title it Ultimate roster 1.0 corrections and updates. then list what you gather in there. and then people can add changes and updates not on the list yet. i think it will look a lot better with a new thread in the forum. would hate to see version 1.1 come out and not see the change we posted here in the forum. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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