bbythepier Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Here's an example of what I was talking about: Hernandez ratings for these sims You and others can tell me if this looks better. Something like: bbythepier, I think the slider is rated too high/low for this reason...... I'm not working to stroke my ego here. I'm working for accuracy. Just don't hit me with words like "hack" and a :x . Who likes that? bbythepier, without adding any fuel to the fires of those that attempt to distort or sabotage the efforts of many contributing to this project, i would like to acknowledge your contributions to the ultimate roster project. i really enjoy reading your posts; i know that the information is intended for changes made to the roster but i as well learn from your posts. i have unintentionally quoated some of your work in random conversation with friends when discussing baseball; primarily on the weekend at a smokey tavern with some kind of beverage in hand and baseball tonight in the background. i haven't given you credit during the conversations because that would require too much of an explanation but i thank you for what you have done here and hope you keep it up. thanks and great work. Thank you DMZ. I hope that you know I feel the same about you, Hory, and all the others that help with all aspects of a project like this. I learn from al of you. And your effort in helping HypnoxXx and llcmac says "Thank you" enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Actually Rafael Soriano will NOT be called up...Because he's on the 60-day Disabled List with a bum elbow and may not pitch anywhere in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Thank god for HypnoxXx's post. Three in a row = Post *****? I didn't touch Boston initially, but on second glance.... So I tried to help with my thought process. I got tired of cutting and pasting, so my answers will come in the morning (Translation: I've already done the tweaks and sims, it just my wrist and eyes are sore.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 And most people will not be using this Bill Harris progression mod so that means nothing. I will say this again slowly. If a player has not pitched one inning in the majors, NOT ONE, "professional guessers" make projections on how they would do in the majors IF they were there. When creating a player, this is the only equitable way to use in determining how their stuff should be rated. It has nothing to do with a mod. Felix Hernandez "projection" is better than a guy like Ryan Franklin, plain and simple. So why wouldn't Seattle just bring him up if that is the case? Considerations like maturity, confidence, long-term investment come in to play. It makes no difference what you or I think, because we have not outlined a definable way to evaluate a player in this circumstance. So we rely on "professional guessers" to eliminate bias, but yes it's possible they will be wrong. You and I are not qualified to pull out of the air what a guys ERA and stats will be IF they did pitch in the majors, no matter how smart we consider ourselves. A couple of things: I don’t like pitchers throwing straight fastballs they don’t throw. Schilling throws a straight 4-seam and tailing 2-seam, that’s OK. But guys like Arroyo and Clement (Glavine, Maddux, etc.) have never pitched a “straight ball†in their life and never will. So I add a little tail to their 4-seam, which doesn’t affect their in-game rating but adds realism to gameplay. I don’t go over every pitcher’s fielding or pickoff, only the one’s people suggest or are blatant errors (Cabrera-BAL does not have a 14/15 pickoff, he pumps before he throws over for crying out loud). I don’t like to give extra pitches a guy doesn’t throw. If a reliever only throws 2 or 3 pitches, that’s what he gets ( a lot of times this helps the pitcher because it often gets rid of a marginal pitch). BoSox fans or whoever I need help: In playing the w/ the Red Sox, Clement and Arroyo need new pitching motions. I don’t know who, but Clement’s slider looks totally lame coming from an over-the-top motion and Arroyo is not Oswalt. Also Big Papi is a stud, but he is also FAT. Plump/big chest is not him. MLB-Boston pitchers Arroyo-left same pitches, made a few adjustments on trajectories and effectiveness Clement- the slurve at the same speed/control/mov’t as the slider is dumb, I took it away (unless someone can find he throws a slurve, I couldn’t) Embree- when’s the last time this tobacco chewer threw a changeup? I’ll help. Never. Foulke- didn’t touch Halama- left his stuff, adjusted some speeds Miller- made his curve have a tad more mov’t, a little less control (it’s a big 12-6 breaker) Neal- didn’t touch (might be a little overrated though, oh well) Schilling- made his 2-seam better and gave him his overhand curve, but made it his least best option Timlin- Left him alone Wakefield- downgraded ridiculously rated curveball Wells- downgraded some stuff a bit [Remember the Changing Leagues Rule of Thumb= Add a half a run when going from NL to AL and vice versa for a guy like Pedro.] See pitch tweaks and 3 season sims here: http://img170.echo.cx/my.php?image=bosox6me.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I think you are rating these minor leaguers too high bbythepier, I mean they have no experience yet your making them All Stars, Felix Hernandez is 18 years old man and He will not be called up this year despite what you say, Are you kidding me? guys like Rafeal Soriano will be called up first He has Major League experience and has proven himself. And most people will not be using this Bill Harris progression mod so that means nothing. Ive had many pms already from people who agree with me in fear of getting flamed they will not speak up. I just think your going way too far with all these changes man and im glad at least 20 others agree with me so I aint alone. If I see something wrong im not scared I will say my opinion I dont care if people flame me. But I seen this coming just like last years rosters it starts out with a few changes then more and more and pretty soon we got a roster thats completley outta whack. Felix hernandez wont be called up this year? you dont pay much attention to baseball do you? Hernadez will be pitching in seattle this year its just a matter of when they call him up, many people in the mariners orginazation beleive he is ready now, mark my words hernandez will pitch in seattle this year. and shoelessjoe your OS name wouldnt by any chance be badgun or funkydelic would it? Grant Roberts released by the mets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan1919 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 hey bbythepier your work looks very good, but I was wondering if you would take a look at the Rangers, Drese isnt right at all in this game, and some of the other pitchers arent made to great either. All of Drese's pitches sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoe Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Let me answer bbythepier first about Rafeal Soriano. Mike Price said he is throwing in Tacoma and healthy. "He looks like a horse right there on the hill right now and is throwing Major League stuff right now he appears ready." Mike Price also went on to say he doesnt think Felix will get a spot till September at the earliest they dont want to call him up early as he has only Pitched A ball "The plan is we want to Pitch him here at Triple A this year and work him see how he handles it "and are waiting until they expand the rosters and if there is a spot (someone gets hurt). Do they have 40 man rosters? Dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 a couple of corrections for ultimate roster 1.0: cincinnati minors: aaron holbert - is black not white kenny kelly - is black not white robert stratton not a top 100 prospect jessie gutierrez is spanish cubs minors brandon sing is white not black atlanta minors jason bourgious is black not spanish mariners minors felix hernandez is spanish not black redsox kevin millar beard and goatee redsox ommited players (worth creating) matt merricks colorado reliever kevin mcglinchy cubs reliever john rocker free agent ellis burks and kevin appier free agent did not officially retire yet jeff neimann top 100 prospect tampa bay starting pitcher stephen drew and jared weaver (both still might sign) kevin reese outfielder yankees melky cabrera outfielder yankees chris duffy pirates outfielder hansel izquierdo pirates pitcher mike moriarty redsox infielder greg miller dodgers pitcher top 100 prospect seth mccauley catcher padres matt walbeck catcher (delete he is now a coach) i will post more as i play more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Mike Tonis - C - Royals Mike Tonis, once considered the Royals' catcher of the future, is expected to pitch for short-season Single-A Idaho Falls once its season opens. Tonis started pitching in minor league camp in spring training. ''It's a recognition that some catchers have moved ahead of him,'' GM Allard Baird said. ''He could still make it as a catch-and-throw (catcher). But he has a strong arm…'' Apr. 16 - 2:30 pm et Source: Kansas City Star DET AA Gookie Dawkins is not white, he is black. Add Jermaine Van Buren AAA Iowa Cubs Add Scott McClain Iowa Cubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 maybe an imported pic for marlon anderson also kevin barry pitcher atlanta and wandy rodriguez astros pitcher need to be created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 wasn't dawkins imported from mvp 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 jose rosado picher and jed hansen infielder needed for mets triple a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acosme Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 jose rosado picher and jed hansen infielder needed for mets triple a With Steve Traschel, Fortunato and Strickland in DL and in AAA in the game is very difficult to include Rosado and Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 andrew lorraine pitcher and hunter brown infielder needed for tacoma rainiers of seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 yes its true but they still should be created and added to FA because once those guys come off dl someone will be cut or placed on dl and those guys might stick it out. also i agree and think it is a good idea (a previous post) to import players from 2004 mvp who aren't in the game and place them in FA just to get the fake players out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Let me answer bbythepier first about Rafeal Soriano. Mike Price said he is throwing in Tacoma and healthy. "He looks like a horse right there on the hill right now and is throwing Major League stuff right now he appears ready." Mike Price also went on to say he doesnt think Felix will get a spot till September at the earliest they dont want to call him up early as he has only Pitched A ball "The plan is we want to Pitch him here at Triple A this year and work him see how he handles it "and are waiting until they expand the rosters and if there is a spot (someone gets hurt). Do they have 40 man rosters? Dont think so actually bbythepier never said anything about soriano not playing this year that was hypno Actually Rafael Soriano will NOT be called up...Because he's on the 60-day Disabled List with a bum elbow and may not pitch anywhere in 2005. so you do obviously have something against bbythepier because you had no reason to even think he said that unless you have a dislike for him. Why do you dislike him? well what I beleive is that you were caught talkin out your *** about something you know nothing about and bbythepier came in and proved you wrong with his vast knowledge of baseball and that rubbed you the wrong way thus leading you to create a new username where you try to make him look bad and then again are caught talking out your *** about the "MVP Engine" and how only certain things will fly while tweaking pitches, and then GForce comes in with his knowledge of how the game works and proves you wrong yet again so should we expect another new id to come in and attack GForce or are not quite down with your childish yet failed attempts. To conclude the soriano debate what hyppno said is likely correct the mariners are hoping he is able to return after the allstar break many times when a pitcher is not expected back until after the break, he will hardly ever meet that date look at jeff zimmerman this has happened to him many times and I see soriano as the second coming of zimmerman a very talented releiver who cant seem to stay healthy. "The plan is we want to Pitch him here at Triple A this year and work him see how he handles it "and are waiting until they expand the rosters and if there is a spot (someone gets hurt). Do they have 40 man rosters? Dont think so What does that mean? I have no idea what you are talking about someone wouldnt have to get hurt to open a spot for him, in septemeber when the rosters expand teams often start anywhere from 6-9 different pitchers during the month especially if they are out contention as the mariners will likely be. What does do they have 40 man rosters mean? does the game? No it doesnt but I dont see what that even has anything to do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 yes its true but they still should be created and added to FA because once those guys come off dl someone will be cut or placed on dl and those guys might stick it out. also i agree and think it is a good idea (a previous post) to import players from 2004 mvp who aren't in the game and place them in FA just to get the fake players out. I donno if I mentioned this or not, but its unfortunately impossible to get rid of all the fakes in the FA list. In version 1.1, I have filled up the FA list with a bunch of guys aptly named Fake Fake (clever, I know) who all have 0 ratings and thus no chance of being signed...I was at first excited, as on the manage rosters menu the game no longer created more fakes like it used to when I clicked through a few times. However, fire up a dynasty, and the game makes 66 fakes (244 players are on the FA list, a dynasty will end up with a FA list of 310)...So it still is a frustrating mystery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 where is version 1.1? to dl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 where is version 1.1? to dl It won't be up until BBY finishes all of his pitching tweaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I donno if I mentioned this or not, but its unfortunately impossible to get rid of all the fakes in the FA list. In version 1.1, I have filled up the FA list with a bunch of guys aptly named Fake Fake (clever, I know) who all have 0 ratings and thus no chance of being signed...I was at first excited, as on the manage rosters menu the game no longer created more fakes like it used to when I clicked through a few times. However, fire up a dynasty, and the game makes 66 fakes (244 players are on the FA list, a dynasty will end up with a FA list of 310)...So it still is a frustrating mystery... Might have a good idea here, instead of creating more fakes with 0 attributes, just redo all the players the computer creates and make them all 0's, that should work shouldnt it because you arnt actually making a new player so it shouldnt create anymore fakes right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 ellis burks and kevin appier free agent did not officially retire yet Yes actually they both are officiially retired, appiers was actually pretty recently during spring training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Man I hate when pitching duels end the way the A's/Angels did. It won't be up until BBY finishes all of his pitching tweaks. I can feel the heat. I'm going as fast as I can, without going stir crazy. Hot date tonight, but I'll see what I can get done during the Rockies/Giants game. Laundry day tomorrow should mean another 3 or 4. hey bbythepier your work looks very good, but I was wondering if you would take a look at the Rangers, Drese isnt right at all in this game, and some of the other pitchers arent made to great either. All of Drese's pitches sink. No problem Juan Gone, I'm going to start on them right now. Quick little story. I'm riding the BART (our subway) to work and a little "Baseball genie" sits next to me and grants me 3 wishes. I knew he was a "baseball genie" because when my first wish was "Hook me up with Jessica Alba", he replied "OK, but you'll be #108 in line". I took a mulligan. So after asking for season tickets behind the dugout and a healthy two more years for Barry, I couldn't think of a third. So he says,"What about your bullpen? I'll give you the choice of any bullpen, an even swap for your deadbeats." I thought... Riveria, Gordon, Stanton=Nope Foulke, Timlin, Embree= Nope Gagne, Brazoban, Carrara= Nope Izzy, King, Tavarez=Nope Franky, Donnelly, Shields=Very nice, but no. Cordero, Francisco, Mahay= Yes Go ahead and spam and flame me. I relish it. But look at these guys ERAs, WHIPs, BA w/ RISP, K/9, age, contracts, etc. No I didn't research this all day. Didn't even look. And no I'm not halucinating. Needless to say the genie was "scheister". The Rangers will be fun. Lots of projects like Chan Ho, Francisco, Drese, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Source for change: Drese- "His fastball, which ranges from 87-92 mph, sinks consistently...a breakout season sparked by placing emphasis on his sinker, not his four-seam fastball..."-S.N. Ult. Guide p.86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Might have a good idea here, instead of creating more fakes with 0 attributes, just redo all the players the computer creates and make them all 0's, that should work shouldnt it because you arnt actually making a new player so it shouldnt create anymore fakes right? The fakes that the game makes are in the actual game itself, once your start a dynasty..And we all know you can't edit a .sav file with MVPEdit...I'd release the Roster in .sav format, but then people like BBY couldn't tweak what I've done. So we're just going to have to ALL manually crapify the fakes the game makes for our dynasties and owner modes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The fakes that the game makes are in the actual game itself, once your start a dynasty..And we all know you can't edit a .sav file with MVPEdit...I'd release the Roster in .sav format, but then people like BBY couldn't tweak what I've done. So we're just going to have to ALL manually crapify the fakes the game makes for our dynasties and owner modes... I never knew that about the players, and dont do a .sav file because I dont beleive that can be converted to consoles and no conversions means no rosters for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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