cubsfaninfla Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 I second that! Well...some of us want to have realistic rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 We made the decision to put injured players in the minor leagues in March. We made the decision to keep Barry in the Majors in March. No one was saying anything then. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic6 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Well...some of us want to have realistic rosters.I can agree that you want the rosters to be realistic, but are you waiting for these rosters so you can start your dynasty? I am as well, and again appreciate all the hard work that goes into them, but, when you start your MVP dynasty with game one on April 4th, these rosters won't be accurate. Realisticly Nomar wasn't hurt April 4th, all of these transactions wouldn't have happened on April 4th. What I'm getting at is when do you let go of the realistic part of the rosters and let the game take over. When these rosters are released and a month later say, Griffey breaks his leg in real life (how far fetched is this really), are you going to want Griffey to be injured in your dynasty too? Just my opinion, thanks for listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Not a direct attack on you magic, it just seems that way since you're the last person to have posted... This "we appreciate the hard work, BUT..." crap is wearing thin...If having Nomar in the Majors is such a big deal, here's what you can do. A) Download Ultimate Rosters 2.0 when they become available Open up MVPEdit (www.glass4.com/mvpedit if you don't have it) C) Move Nomar to the majors and domote whomever you please D) Play the game My point is this...We are not going to create a roster EVERYONE is happy with. Nothing we do will satisfy everyone. We made our rules up for handling injuries a long time ago. If you don't like it, it is NOT difficult to make the necessary call ups/send downs in MVPEdit to alleviate your concerns. End of discussion. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Hyp, Can you delete Barroids, leave Nomar, make Barry Larkin, max out Tejada, give Kerry Wood 15/15 durability, make Chacin on Toronto rated just under Smoltz, give Halladay a knuckleball? Oh yeah, could I ask for roast beef and cheeses on rye? I'll be over here playing MVP with my friends while my mom goes and gets me some ice cream from the store. Just PM when you get all that done. Also, can you just stop the transactions as of April 30? That's my birthday and I think the world should stop after that day. Thanks P.S. Are you good at backflips? Throw in one of those if you are. P.S.S. Are you done yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 (added, deleted or changed pitches in bold, words in quotes directly from scouting source) MLB- St. Louis The consensus is these guys are all No. 2 or 3 guys. Thus their season sims will fluctuate. They’re not dominant. Carpenter- yes his sig is the 12-6 curve but where’s the slider? added slider, decreased control on 4-seam Eldred- increased the change and curve but decreased the 2-seam, no mention of the cutter which I don’t like him for so deleted cutter Flores- actually throws a little harder than I thought (per TBS telecast) so increased 2 mph and increased control on change and slider Izzy- I’ve posted my changes like 3 times on this thread King- Sorry, he throws fastball “away†from righties, not one that “tails away†from righties (per TBS telecast and countless other times watching him). deleted 2-seam He’s one of the best lefty-on-lefty setup men in the game and LaRussa occasionally uses him against righties to finish the 8th, but he’s not BJ Ryan. He huffs and sighs when taken out, but righties usually handle him very well. Marquis- added “occasional changeupâ€, increased curve and slider, adjusted 2-seam and lowered 4-seam 2 mph and control Morris- saw him the other day on TBS, Sutton in the booth was asked is he a 2-pitch (fastball-curve) pitcher now? “No he throws a cutter and occasional straight change.†thus the changes. Decreased 4-seam 2 mph and control, increased change but decreased curve some Mulder- I’m not rating him on his 2nd half last year, but I’m not rating him on his May and June either (like is done with EAs ratings). I’m splitting the difference. Let’s face it, his split has nothing on Smoltz or Clemens. He’s a solid 3.50-4.50 ERA guy. increased 2-seam a tad, but decreased other pitches Pulsipher- just fiddled w/ control #’s a tad (not exactly spilling over w/ scouting reports on this guy) Reyes- increased his change and slider but decreased his 90+ rated 4-seam Suppan- he’s marginal but not this marginal, decreased 4-seam control, increased all other pitches Tavaerz- can’t make this slinger’s 4-seam sink so I gave him a 4-seam with a little tail combined with his sinking 2-seam, changed sinker to his split, his split is his change so deleted change, generic1 delivery is TOTALLY WRONG, I’ll let Cards fans find the right one but it a disservice to the Redbirds to have Mr. Pine Tar Cap have an over-the-top motion Find Cardinals tweaks and 4 season sims here: http://img33.echo.cx/my.php?image=cards8xh.jpg MLB- Tampa Bay Baez- This guy is a power closer. What’s all this changeup and curveball nonsense? I (and scouting reports) think he throws a tad harder so increased 4-seam 2 mph but decreased control, changed curve to slider and change to split, deleted 2-seam (his fastball is hard and straight) Bell- added “slider that’s not real quickâ€, but 11 mov’t on off-speed is too much for his “below-average stuffâ€, decreased other pitches Brazelton- increased 4-seam 3 mph but decreased control, increased slider, changed 2-seam to “looping curveâ€, his fastball “tends to straighten out†Carter- “Slider to righties is more of a cut fastballâ€, changed slider to cutter, decreased change but increased curve Colome- hard 1-speed thrower, 1 mov’t on slider? Uh, no. increased slider significantly but decreased control on 4-seam too changed change to his split Fossum- overrated since being relegated to LR in TB pen. Did add his slider though Harper- decreased control on 4-seam, and decreased mov’t on all other pitches, 13 mov’t & 70 control on 4.00 ERA mid-relief guy? Wrong. Hendrickson- “He throws strikes with a tailing, 2-seam fastball, a cutter, a slurvy breaking ball and turnover changeâ€, put mov’t on change and made to fade, changed curve to slurve and slider to cutter, added 2-seam Kazmir- changes already done with Top 5 pitching prospects about 2 weeks back; however, after watching him I don’t like him for the curve, his 4th pitch is a hard cutter and his c. change is a few mph faster Miller- “Curve is a wide sweeping one that keeps biting away from leftiesâ€, a “sweeping curveâ€=slurve, changed slider to slurve Nomo- Ok, he has a forkball with lots of mov’t but not 14/15, decreased fork deleted slider because it’s never mentioned, just the big curve Waechter- whatever Find Devil Rays tweaks and 4 season sims here: http://img33.echo.cx/my.php?image=drays1wj.jpg MLB- Toronto Batista- to think this guy dropped his curve and split when becoming a closer, nice 3.00-4.00 ERA closer, if you use this stuff as a starter make it 5.00 Bush- increased all offspeed a tad, nice little ~4.00 ERA starter, poor man’s Radke Chacin- Here’s the two camps on this guy: Bbythepier, how can you rate this guy so high when he’s the #10 prospect in Jays org. according to BA? Look at his stats for 2004. AA- 16-2, 2.92 ERA AAA- 2-0, 2.31 ERA MLB- 1-1, 2.57 ERA. Those are Felix Hernandez type numbers. Bbythepier, how come he’s rated to sim in the 4 & 5 ERAs? Look at his start. I don’t rate on April starts. And you can have a nice ~3.00-3.50 ERA year with his current stuff. He just has to have his best possible year to do it. I rate for the expected, but the game builds in enough variability so that an average guy can “blow up†in either direction. Chulk- increased control on slider , “is your basic fastball-slider pitcher..also mixes in an effective change against lefties…†changed curve to changeup Frasor- “He can blow his fastball up there at 93 mph, but he need to locate it because it’s straight…curveball has a sharp downward break…if he adds a decent changeup, he could nicely fill a relief roleâ€, Translation: changed 2-seam to change and decreased 4-seam 2 mph and control Halladay- what is he, a Cy Young of 2003 or 4+ ERA guy of injury riddled yesteryear? We’ll split the difference, as was demonstrated in the sims. (3.41,4.49,3.12,4.38 ) A nice little toss up of possibilities. Lilly- decreased control on 4-seam, increased mov’t on curve (big Zito-like), but decreased change Schoeneweis- I pleaded and pleaded with Hyp that a piece of crap like this guy shouldn't have a better change than Lowry, with nearly a 6 ERA from the pen. added cutter but decreased other pitches Speier- “…uses a 90-92 mph sinker, a slider and a split…slider is more like a slurveâ€, alright if the split is actually a fork so be it, but the fork is his change so deleted change Towers- A 5.00+ ERA starter, mov’t on offspeed stuff but increased control Walker- crafty righty with great start to year, but a marginal guy coming from Japan is rated about right Whiteside- another scrapheap rigthy with marginal stuff Find Blue Jays tweaks and 4 season sims here: http://img33.echo.cx/my.php?image=bjays8at.jpg MLB- Washington Armas Jr.- good stuff, but where are the results? I have three reports that say the same thing: fastball, slider, change, no split. deleted split and changed curve to his “2-seam fastball with run and sink†Ayala- decreased slider a tad, increased control on change but decreased on 4-seam Cordero- who’s are these ratings? Not Cordero’s. “…big burly kid with two pitches- a fastball that bores and runs and a slider that needs more tilt.†, changed change to slider and deleted everything else Day- I’ll give him the “power-sinking fastball†by changing the traj. on 2-seam but no mention of split, deleted split, changed some speeds Eischen- broke his arm on incredibly uncoordinated dive but I had already rated and simmed him, just changed slurve a tad Hernandez- increased change, decreased curve and slider but added his “tailing 2-seam†Loaiza- “…used to throw everything in the book, but now is a two-pitch guy who relies on a cutter…also throws a straight change…â€, “It’s a cutter, cutter,cutter with himâ€, thus the new stuff: changed curve to cutter and deleted slider Majewski- fastball-slider guy with occasional change, 1 mov’t on curve?changed curve to slider and increased mov’t Ohka- changed sinker to his “split-fingered fastball†and curve to his “above-average change†Patteron- gave him his slider he was throwing last night along with that curve, decreased control on 4-seam Tucker- decreased control on all three pitches (4.00 ERA lefty bullpen guy) Vargas- this guy is a RP who has narrowed down his repertoire now that he is in the pen, “He can throw in the mid 90’s consistently but it is straight. Basically, he is a one speed pitcher…Slider is 83-86.†Where’s all this offspeed stuff and tailing 2-seamer. Thus he is strictly fastball-slider. deleted change, curve and 2-seam Find Nationals tweaks and 4 season sims here: http://img33.echo.cx/my.php?image=nats6fc.jpg Give me the rest of week to clean some stuff up. One thing is no matter where you put the movement (on the “clockâ€) on a 4-seam, it always tails to the pitcher’s right (or catcher’s left). So the first 10 teams or so I was under the impression I was giving some lefties a “tailing fastballâ€, like Glavine, but actually gave them a “cutterâ€. I always played them throwing the offspeed stuff so I just missed this peculiarity until I tried hitting against Moyer. One thing you learn in professional life, it’s not a mistake until it makes it to the public. I’ll go back and fix it before the next release, along with any stragglers I may have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan05 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 I really appreciate all the hard work you guys put into these. I know I don't have the patience to do them myself. You all can do anything you want with injured players. It won't take five minutes for us to go in ourselves and call-up or send-down those players. I can't wait for these to come out. Thanks a lot you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtc324 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 bby, hyp, ilcmac just a suggestion...before you put the finishing touches on the new version i think you should have some people check the 40 man rosters and note any final guys that are missing...i know a couple of mlb teams have called up non-impact players to fill injury voids and while they hold no significant value should be included on the rosters so that we have the option to put them on mlb roster or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeljjt Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 BBY..just a quick question....Since last year was an injury riddled year for Halladay...what else are you basing your "a Cy Young of 2003 or 4+ ERA guy " statement on? His last 3 seasons, injury free...his ERA is: 3.25, 2.93, and 3.16, over 266, 239 and 105 innings. Being a Yankees fan, I am no fan of Halladays, but i certainly believe he deserves more credit than that (unless i am misunderstanding you, which if so, feel free to let me know) As your research is insanely deep, you are a better interpreter of such things...but his raw numbers are very very good. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 bby a little scouting report about lee I found. Lee throws four pitches, along with various subgroups. He throws a fastball, curveball, slider and change. He'll use a cut fastball against righthanders and works in a four-seam fastball as well. He throws between 87-93 MPH, with his normal velocity at 90-91 MPH. Lee has a smooth delivery and a competitive nature that can get him into trouble. He challenged hitters with his fastball during his 10-1 run, but they started to turn around the heat in the second half. Lee allowed 30 homers, including 18 after the All-Star break. His control was another problem. He had too many three-ball counts, which prevented him from getting deep into games. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=7026 Not sure if you added the cutter or not, but it will definitaly help with the strait ball theory. I was only commenting on his last start. Throws CONSECUTIVE no movement 89 mph fastball to the Royals. A granny and solo shot were the result and thus he made Sportcenter with that "performance". He may very well throw a cutter to righties. But unless it's on the hands it is meat, no offence intended. I still think he is good, but I don't think 15/15 good. His speed makes up for most of his other shortcomings. I think his range should be very good, but his glove should still be 12-13/15. Gold glovers deserve 15/15. Fair enough. It was tongue-in-cheek for his two web gems in the series over the weekend. I'll never fight ratings for a DRay, anyways. I'd move Tejada back to the 3 spot, like in Oakland. That cleanup spot just isn't working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 BBY..just a quick question....Since last year was an injury riddled year for Halladay...what else are you basing your "a Cy Young of 2003 or 4+ ERA guy " statement on? His last 3 seasons, injury free...his ERA is: 3.25, 2.93, and 3.16, over 266, 239 and 105 innings. Being a Yankees fan, I am no fan of Halladays, but i certainly believe he deserves more credit than that (unless i am misunderstanding you, which if so, feel free to let me know) As your research is insanely deep, you are a better interpreter of such things...but his raw numbers are very very good. Mike I don't think you paraphrased me correctly Mike. I asked a question (look at the original post) and then answered it. What Halladay will show up in 2005? The one of 2003 or 2004? While Blue Jays fans already have their answer, I'm not basing it on his start to be consistent. 2 years of his sim looked like they would be from 2003, two looked like from 2004. Thus, I said to myself these ratings are perfect. He could dominate, he could be average. If you or BJay fans want to give him a 99 knucklecurve and 4-seam by completely throwing out 2004, be my guest. I "split the difference" between 2003 and 2004. I thought I was clear, but I hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalsy2310 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 4 tweaks tonight way to go bby keep it up man cant wait to play with these......meanwhile go reds :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeljjt Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Bby..my confusion was based on my thinking you split Halladay into 3 sections, not 2. I thought you said....you asked yourself "is he a cy young, a 4+ pitcher, or his injury riddled self from last year"...not realizing that you meant the 4+ and injury statement as one thing (uhh, is this making any sense) Personally, I would not throw out last year, but would take into consideration how many starts he made injured, and how many were "rehabbing" (ie, not yet at full strength)...But thats me. Dont take that as a slight..this is your baby, and its yours to tinker with. I would not have the patience or strength to do any of this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HypnoxXx Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 If "The Pitching Project" were a real, living baby...I wonder what it would look like...By the way--BBY's done guys, that was the last of the teams. I dont believe he has to do any more work if he doesn't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan1919 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Alright Giants fans, I need info on Pablo Sandoval. Pablo Sandoval - S-R 5-11 180 8-11-86 Carabobo, Venezuela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbythepier Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 If "The Pitching Project" were a real, living baby...I wonder what it would look like...By the way--BBY's done guys, that was the last of the teams. I dont believe he has to do any more work if he doesn't want to. If it looked my last girlfriend, it have 2 little horns comin' out of its head, along with a little red tail. Oh yeah, it would end up on Ritalin. It's first present would be a pitchfork. I'll take a little break, see if the Giants pen can hold this 4 run lead against your Snakes and start my cleanup of my little mistakes mentioned above. Bby..my confusion was based on my thinking you split Halladay into 3 sections, not 2. I thought you said....you asked yourself "is he a cy young, a 4+ pitcher, or his injury riddled self from last year"...not realizing that you meant the 4+ and injury statement as one thing (uhh, is this making any sense) My bad, Mike. That 2nd "or" should have been "of". I see how my question was confusing. Sorry about that. Pablo Sandoval - S-R 5-11 180 8-11-86 Carabobo, Venezuela #27 prospect in BA 2005 Sandoval is a catch and throw specialist who shows the ability to receive and block well…He impressed AZL managers last summer with how well he handled the oldest pitching staff in the league…He’s believed to weigh as much as 40 pounds more than his listed weight of 180, which hinders his bat speed and offensive potential. Sandoval has an athletic body and hand eye coordination, but his size isn’t translating to power, and he has to become more patient as well. A switch-hitter, he also can throw with either arm. His (right) arm isn’t overly strong, but it’s accurate and he threw out 30% of basestealers last year. This guys sounds like a young Matheny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Another couple tidbits: - David Newhan needs to be upped in speed a bit into the mid 70's. Newhan hits pitchers from both sides of the rubber equally well, though he generates more of his power against righthanders. His swing is compact and level, mostly generating line drives and groundballs. Newhan uses a quick first step and hustle to steal bases, rather than pure speed. He can play any infield position except short, as well as both corner outfield spots. His range is average both in the infield and outfield, and he throws accurately with an arm that isn't particularly strong. Mid 70's and a good baserunning rating seems in order, and a lowering of his contact ratings should happen to (high 70's instead of low 80's for both LHP and RHP). And, obviously, his arm should be around 50-65 rating. Also, his batting stance should be Burnitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPlover Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Steinbrenner is angry at the Yankees' poor play of late so he has called for some major changes to the roster and lineup... "Yanks shake up roster, lineup after win Cano to be called up; Matsui to replace Bernie in center" http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...sp&c_id=nyy * Bernie Williams is now on the bench. He will DH with Jason Giambi and back up CF. * Hideki Matsui is being moved from LF to CF. * Tony Womack is being moved from 2B to LF. * Robinson Cano is being brought up from the minors and will be their new starting 2B. * Steve Karsay was designated for assignment and will be released to make room for Robinson Cano. * Randy Johnson is still hurt. Prospect Sean Henn will start in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronicjake Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 i know this is prolly already done but scott baker is a twins prosp and had a excellent spring training and has done great in aaa so far and recently got called up to twins major league club and seen he wasnt in update thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcmac Posted May 3, 2005 Author Share Posted May 3, 2005 Last prospect, and then the roster have no fakes in the minor or majors.... Jesus Gonzalez, 3b, Toronto Bluejays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk13 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 cant find anything about hitting but heres something i got on him 20-year-old from Mariana, Venezuela (6-2, 160) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Another couple tidbits: - David Newhan needs to be upped in speed a bit into the mid 70's. Mid 70's and a good baserunning rating seems in order, and a lowering of his contact ratings should happen to (high 70's instead of low 80's for both LHP and RHP). And, obviously, his arm should be around 50-65 rating. Also, his batting stance should be Burnitz. I agree with the lowering of the contact ratings and maybe even power but I frequently hear that Newhan is up there in speed with BRob maybe even faster. Maybe speed in the low-mid 80's(Brob's SPD rating is like 88 ) with 14/15 baserunning, or do you think his speed is still unproven from the lack of sufficient playing time this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wikitundra Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Any idea when Ultimate Rosters 2.0 will be available. I can't wait to use this roster set:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbmagicfan Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Any idea when Ultimate Rosters 2.0 will be available. I can't wait to use this roster set:) when its ready it wil be released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbmagicfan Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 llcmac and HypnoxXx can i make a sugestion. when the roster is all done, be sure to sim a whole year. this way you can see what players the cpu teams are releasing, promoting to the majors,demoting to the majors, and signing free agents. this way you can make adjustments if needed. also i think with placing injure players in the minors, can be difficult, because cpu teams wil call them up and might replace a regular starter in the majors. it could alternate the rosters. just ideas to think about. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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