vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 ive only been playing with both these settings and ive found battin ok-ish. not gettin on base much but thats due to my constant swingin at everythin tactic. however, the pitching is a nightmare. with jamie moyer in the 1st innings his green perfect zone is non-existant!!! its less than a millimetre long. how da **** can u get strike outs when ur best pitcher at his freshest can only give me that tiny zone. im giving away loadsa homes and base hits, coz its impossible to hit that small zone continuously. u may say change the sliders, but i do like the challenge. im just curius...does any1 here find pitchin really hard playin with these settings or have u played soo long, that u r constantly gettin perfects in that tiny zone? the mini-games dnt help until ur on level 3/4 and thats where i always lose, so it just seems this may b my downfall in the pitchin side of the game. its anoyin losin every game 10-2, 9-3 and conceded between 10-15 hits a game.......... ne tips or thoughts ne1 lol...... :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcmac Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 for me, any perfect green zone = no walks ever given up thats why I use spitoons datafile either stick with it, or change the sliders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Your post doesn't mention it, but I'm assuming you are using the combo data file with Trues Camera Mod and my walks mod...My walks mod removes the green entirely when you have the User Pitch Meter Difficulty set at a low number. You can crank it up to +50 to get a bit of green...If you are finding it too difficult, I would recommend downloading the datafile that just contains Trues Camera Mod and don't use the walk mod... llcmac is right though, if there is a green area on the meter I rarely walk anybody...not that I 'want' to guys, but it's unrealistic to go through 10+ games and have your pitching staff give up 1 or 2 walks total...with my mod, I'm giving up 2-4 per game, which is 'statistically correct'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 see its meant to work both ways, we both get walks. but every pitch thats l8 or early that i do that goes over the plate = base hit or worse home run, which is anoying, if it wasnt for my double plays id b pitvhin 1 inning all day. its anoying coz the cpu never swings at my l8 and early pitchs that go wide of the strike zone. why not? its a recipe to make u lose, u do a bad pitch and goes over the plate they get on base or homer. when u do a pitch and it goes off the zone they wont swing at ANYTHING. so if my fielders dnt help me out im constantly walkin every1 lol ...... its impossible 2 get k's with this setting by ur own ability to pitch coz for sum1 to admit they hit that green zone frequently and they r gettin loadsa k's deserves a medal. seems near enough impossible 2 me..... the cpu just doesnt swing at anythin not over the plate, whether ur playin the cards or the brewers...... just gonna have 2 stick 2 it n practise....... :dontgetit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 didnt see ur post spitoon there m8, yes ur right i think the trues dat file is goin to be needed i think, i just cant pitch for sh*T wITH literally no green zone.... by the way, r u gettin loadsa of k's? with these settings on? and by beatin the bat mostly or r they due to 2 fouls and a lucky strike? u say the game needs realistic walks, it needs k's more in my opinion just not too many, my problem is i get about 4k's over 9 innings on this mode and thats too low for my likin lol cheers for the response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I find getting strike outs very hard in this game...I've tried a number of different slider combinations and it's very difficult to strike guys out... After taking a beating on All-Star for about 15 games, I changed to Pro last night and won 2 of 3, all were close. In my final game, Marlins V. Phillies, I managed to pitch a complete game shutout with Al Leiter issuing 2 walks and getting 4 K's...I'd like to get more than 4 but Leiter is not really a big strike out type pitcher.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcmac Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 really, using your datafile, and my slider setting I struck out 6 in 3 innings with Zach Grienke. I'm getting really good games your datafile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 It seems that I can get 2 strikes on a guy fairly easily, but finishing them off is hard...in MVP '04 I had good success by going low out of the strike zone with a breaking ball when I was up 0-2 or 1-2, but that doesn't seem to work this year. I think I've been having a bit more success lately by changing speeds more dramatically, and not filling the meter all the way...I think you have more control over the location if you don't fill the meter all the way to the red...it's going to take some experimenting. I'm also going to try globally editing my pitching staff to have way more K's, and see how that effects gameplay...someone mentioned that it has more to do with the batters than the pitchers though...meaning you'd have to globally edit 700+ players instead of just your 12/13 pitchers :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 oh right so u recommend that i apply pareds sliders to pro level as well, and play from that. dont get me wrong i love your work and ur right i neva issue walks wen i have a green bar. maybe coz its on all-star the hittin is immense plus i think pareds sliders are +something for cpu contact hittin, which dnt help lol ill just apply pareds sliders 2 pro, and hopefull on this level the cpu will swing at more outside the zone and i can finally get me some k's. let the experimenting begin.... p.s: really, using your datafile, and my slider setting I struck out 6 in 3 innings with Zach Grienke. I'm getting really good games your datafile. llmac u said usin ur sliders, mayeb thats y ur doin soo well, coz man im tellin ya str8 its impossible to blow the batters away usin pareds and spittons settings. ill give pro a go and if thats too hard then ill ahve to improve the pitchin slier, although i really wanan keep them thesame and conqour them lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 really, using your datafile, and my slider setting I struck out 6 in 3 innings with Zach Grienke. I'm getting really good games your datafile. Funny, right after I modded the datafile I played a game and in the first inning I struck out the side...I'm thinking "this is great", but I'm still not walking anyone...I ended up with 4 K's in the game and 6 walks...that's when I knew I was onto something regarding walks...I had only walked 2 total in the previous 10 games with the stock datafile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 oh right so u recommend that i apply pareds sliders to pro level as well, and play from that. dont get me wrong i love your work and ur right i neva issue walks wen i have a green bar. maybe coz its on all-star the hittin is immense plus i think pareds sliders are +something for cpu contact hittin, which dnt help lol ill just apply pareds sliders 2 pro, and hopefull on this level the cpu will swing at more outside the zone and i can finally get me some k's. let the experimenting begin.... Well, I moved to pro last night and had good games...I was worried that I'd kill the CPU everytime...not happening. Still hard to get K's, but I'll reserve judgement until I play a game with Beckett who should get more K's than Leiter on any day... When I first started on Pro, I gave the CPU a big advantage on the sliders, but after discussions with some guys over at TPG, I changed to -50 for CPU Contact and +20 for CPU Swing Frequency...thinking that they might strike out swinging more often...I can't tell yet, because 1 or 2 games is not enough... That's another problem, my patience is short...I adjust sliders and play 1 or 2 games (in some cases only a few innings) and then adjust them again...I've got to learn to give them a chance over 5 or 10 games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 yeh i only posted this post coz i couldnt win in 8 games. too hard to pitch... ill leave the pitchin settings on -50 or whatever they r and ill just try 2 improve my pitches. problem is i pitch literally on the corner of the corner lol so unless its perfect ill always send it into the middle of the zone or well wide, and its a ball. theres a thin line for perfection and a home run with these settings. gonna have to pro it up n see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 You could try upping the pitch meter difficulty slider to +40 or even +50 and leaving the control one at -50...that will give you some green area to shoot at... I was 6-15 on All-Star...for the most part my starters did quite well, but my bullpen kept getting lit up...the game would be close for 5 or 6 innings and then I'd get blown out...maybe I need to make some trades :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 its not jus u m8, the starters im ok with its close but once a relief pitcher is on GAME OVER they always miss the zone by miles lol +40 or 50 is way over the top, its on -20 with pareds sliders. maybe putting it to -10 or 0 may make it fair at least give me somethin 2 play with. also noticed on pareds sliders he has..... CPU SWING FREQUENCY -26! no wonder they dnt swing at anythin outside the k-zone! i'll just move the pitcher difficulter to -10 for now on pro and see if theres an improvement. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lual Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 i use the same settings too - and im yet to win a game lol just started a new dynasty with the O's - and i lost 5-1 in the opener against the A's getting 1 K and giving up 2 walks from my experience, i find i get crushed because i throw a bad pitch - i go outside and throw a perfect pitch - come back in the zone, and i choke still having fun though - one day i will win a game :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 LOL THE IRONY!!! 1st innings v the cards at safeco on pro, XACTLY THE SAME settings as all star ie. pared sliders but pitch difficulty -10 not -20 up steps DAVID ECKSTIEN?(however u spell it) 1st 2 pitches strike 3rd slurve ball into the body of the batter, away from the strike zone. HE SWINGS yes i couldnt belive it 2, missed it strike 3. at last lets see if it works now wen puyols n edmonds r up, ill keep u posted .... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok on pro its too easy, struck out puyols rollen and edmonds they didnt get anywhere my pitches even the LATE n EARLY 1's new experiment, pareds sliders on ALL-STAR but pitch difficulty -10 not -20. here we go again...... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 OMFG! it took 5 innings be4 i quit. me mariners vs the cards ALL-STAR w/pared w/spits database after 5 innings this is where i left the game and ull soon see y i did.. innings pitched: 5 k's: 1 basehits conceded: 16!! (YES 16!) wild pitches: 3 :? (again god knows y i was contantly gettin just off green onto l8) Base On Balls: 10!!!!! (AND IF U THINK DAS BAD WAIT TO U SEE THE score) score after 5 innings with me still 2 bat: 15-3!!!!!!! A$$ WHOOPIN OF THE YR RIGHT THERE! 'll admit the cards r a hittin machine, but i dnt care if they hit my perfect pitches coz thats jsu how good they r. atm i've 4gotten wat a perfect looks like. looks like pitch difficulty will b on +10 now.....this is anoyin me, just how hard it is to get some damn k's lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitoon Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 OMFG! it took 5 innings be4 i quit. me mariners vs the cards ALL-STAR w/pared w/spits database after 5 innings this is where i left the game and ull soon see y i did.. innings pitched: 5 k's: 1 basehits conceded: 16!! (YES 16!) wild pitches: 3 :? (again god knows y i was contantly gettin just off green onto l8) Base On Balls: 10!!!!! (AND IF U THINK DAS BAD WAIT TO U SEE THE score) score after 5 innings with me still 2 bat: 15-3!!!!!!! A$$ WHOOPIN OF THE YR RIGHT THERE! 'll admit the cards r a hittin machine, but i dnt care if they hit my perfect pitches coz thats jsu how good they r. atm i've 4gotten wat a perfect looks like. looks like pitch difficulty will b on +10 now.....this is anoyin me, just how hard it is to get some damn k's lol.... I simply couldn't win on All-Star...my last game was a 16-5 beat down after I had lowered CPU contact to -40!!! I gave up 26 hits... I think we may have to accept the fact that K's are going to be hard to come by... By the way: Last night I globally edited the stock rosters to give all my pitchers 150% more K's...this doesn't effect my Owner Mode season, but I wanted to try it out. So I start a "Play Now" game on Pro Marlins (ME) v. Cards (CPU)...Beckett starting...I get two strikes right away on Eckstein the lead off guy and he looks really bad, I'm thinking "GREAT"...I try to get him to chase, NO, I nibble and miss, then he makes contact with the 2-2 pitch and grounds out...Next batter, I get 0-2 right away again, then the same thing, pop out...Third batter, 0-2 again and again the same result, I just couldn't close the deal....There is something not right about it, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I havent used Spitoons sliders but one thing I was thinking is when it comes to Ks, the ability to get a batter to chase Strike 3 is I believe determined by hitting the green on the meter. If you make a perfect pitch on the black or just off the corners with 2 strikes and hit the green on meter, the batter is more likely to chase and miss it. Also, on Allstar and MVP levels with default sliders, I have found a few pitches to be Out pitches. Namely a RH slider to a LH batter just off the inside corner. They will chase that quite a bit. Of course, that needs to be setup with a few around the outside Black. Also, running two-seamers away from LH hitters works well too, but get inside a few times to set it up. I find the CPU will usually take a first pitch strike, SO GET AHEAD and use your count leverage. For RH batters, I find RH two seamers in on the hands works well combined with curves and sliders down and away. But, watch your batter and his adjustment to how close to the plate he is. He will telegraph his intentions sometimes. It is true though, that I dont walk many batters, but then I didnt in my own personal career either. But really, I dont think I have ever played any computer baseball games where the human walked many batters if he wasnt drunk pitching! I do like the MVP meter because as your pitcher gets more tired the green zone gets smaller and tougher to hit your spots, having more chance to leave one over the plate. My overall experience so far using the Angels against many different CPU teams on the two highest levels is low scoring games, both for me and the CPU. I need to get better bunting though, as stealing is tougher this year and I am running out of too many innings. Every baserunner counts in my lower scoring games. I have been leaving too many runners in scoring position because I dont get them over sooner with less than two out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iljasTHEillest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Using Pared's sliders, I had a 10K, 4BB game with the Big Unit. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 wen u batted or they batted....... by the way i tried it wit +10 pitchin dificulty and the results were: me v cards after 9 innings: i had 5 hits, 2 BB'S, but 9k's!!! and wen i was pitching,... gave up 2 walks, 7 hits, 1 wild pitch i was losin 2-1...at the time....still no k;s and still no high scores wen battin.... this game doesnt seem right 2 me.....gonna have to continue with the altering of sliders etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iljasTHEillest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 me v cards after 9 innings: i had 5 hits, 2 BB'S, but 9k's!!! That's not the computer's fault. It just sounds like you're a free-swinger; in this game, you have to be patient. and wen i was pitching,... gave up 2 walks, 7 hits, 1 wild pitch I find it hard NOT to get any strikeouts (I probably have 4-5 a game) so I don't know why you guys are having such difficulties. PS: The 10K, 4BB walk was when I was pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 u must b a god then m8, coz to constantly hit that tiny tiny fragment of green to get a perfect pitch and therefore a strike as frequently as u do, to get 10k's!! is amazin and i seriously think u've completed the game. i can get 1 perfect, then follow it up with 2/3 wild pitches that miss by miles although ive only just missin the green zone :S so if the count last until 1-2/3 id b very lucky 2 get a k next ball makin it 2-3. BUt to then get another K is impossible, i play mini games over and over again and its still somethin i cant do. if it was just with relief pitchers i wouldnt mind, but its with my starters and ur tellin me i cant get k's from the first pitch with my fresh #1 pitcher then theres somethin wrong with this game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jservice Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 What does the Pitcher MG Slider do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnycast27 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 from wat ive been told it makes the green "perfect" ZONE BIG or small when usin trues &spitoon dataile n pareds default sliders its -20 or somethin and to my experience i give up 2 many walks, hits and homers for my likin. HOWEVER, u crank it up and theres a medium sized zone u get perfects all the time..hence too easy theres no equilibrium here lol :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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