Complete Twins Organization

[Twins879105]

Complete Twins Organization .met files. Modified some existing players attributes and stances/deliveries/pitches (why does Santana need 2 changeups?). Created players for AAA, AA and A teams, Including Twins Awesome 2004 draft class with 5 of the first 39 picks. All numbers, birth dates, and handedness should be correct, with unique hot/cold zones and chase/take/miss and gb/fb/ld/hr ratios, unique stances and deliveries, and minor leaguers with more reasonable contracts. You need MVP Edit to import these (Thanks to RGlass for this wonderful tool).

Jason Kubel (Out for year with knee injury) placed on AAA,

Ryan Rowland (Rule 5 pick) on MLB.

[joshchapman08]

where can i get the mvp edit utility so i can use this mod? sorry im new here.

[llcmac]

Anyway I could use this in my roster set?

[Twins879105]

MVP Edit: http://www.glass4.com/mvpedit/

Anyone can use this in their Roster set as long as they give credit

and list anything they changed (in general area - amount).

I think it would be great if everyone could do their favorite team

and submit it, because fans probably know their fav team's prospects better than non fans.

And please point out any errors/exaggerations.

[Gamingboy]

I think I might be using this.... Thanks...

[fuzzone]

hey gamingboy, u going to be releasing that New York knighs team met? That would real cool bro. last year uni was cool.

[Gamingboy]

I didn't do that. I think someone else did, but I didn't..........

I just suggested the idea. Unless if somone released it under my name, in which case I will P-O'd BIG TIME!

[fuzzone]

ah, ur still a living legend in my book :)

[jimdawg47]

I would be glad to compile all of the rosters from the different people and put together one roster set. I ahve Yankees Completely done. If we put all these together then teh rosters can be even tighter.

Jim

[Gamingboy]

Well, after looking at it from MVPedit, it looks pretty good. EXCEPT all of the player's historical stats (from past years, like 2003 or something), no longer show up.

That CAN be rectified though...

[poonani]

i'll have a very comprehensive version of this for the Yankees organization done at the end of the week. Hopefully other people are working on other teams...

[poonani]

is there a reason why you gave denard span a rating of "lots" hes done absolutely nothing since he was drafted 3 years ago. Other than that i think you did a very good job and didnt overrate the prospects too much (although giving Rainville a "Super" rating would require me to give Super to Hughes and Christian Garcia in the Yankees organization, and there is only a few pitchers at the major league level with the "Super" rating. I think Rainville should be at "lots")

[createbaseball]

thanks for putting this twins roster out...

when I try to import the .Met files into my roster using MVPedit, it keeps telling me that it is not a valid mep file (even though I keep selecting import TEAM, not PLAYER)

any ideas?

[Twins879105]

Thanks for all the support.

Thanks for pointing out the stats were missing,

I'll add them and try to have it re-upped tomorrow.

Would it pay to add minor league stats to the minor leaguers?

Can I find them in the Lahman Database?

Denard Span has been injured alot.

When healthy he is a very exciting player,

with exceptional speed and a nice line-drive swing

he projects as a leadoff hitter to eventually replace

Hunter in Center if you go the Carl Pohlad/Red McCombs

cheap route with your franchise. Notice I gave him lower hitting ratings

than Deacon Burns, who absolutely raked in rookie ball last year

(not bad for 26th round) and compares to young Kirby (at least heightwise).

Rainville has perhaps the highest ceiling of all the twins prospects.

He didn't give up a run his senior year, and threw 2 no hitters.

His scouting reports says he can reach 96, 93 even into the late innings,

his large frame projects to a Curt Shilling/roger clemens type if he can straighten out his mechanics to keep the wear off his arm. With a big curve, and and circle

change he has the tools to dominate, especially if mechanics guru Rick Anderson

can tighten the rotation on his breaking pitches and maybe radke and Santana can share the mysteries of their changeups. He's the same guy who helped Latroy Hawkins add 2 MPH to his fastball and keep it down.

I read some reports that there was too much labor in his delivery, which may have been why he fell so far in the draft, while other reports say he had a smooth and easy delivery. I was hoping we could grab him at 20, and was shocked we got him at 39, as he was projected by most as top 20. The Yankees may kick themselves for passing on him twice.

If you have to give a player in the Yankee system a 5 rating it would probably

be hughes.

Garcia only has played one year of baseball, a 4 rating may even be a tad kind for the 3rd rounder.

Perkins and Sawatski dominated in A ball last year and deserve their 4 ratings,

and Plouffe may eventually turn into a 5 tool player.

I felt the Twins should have at least one 5 star player in their organization since

EA gave them 2, and I picked Rainville.

The other players I really liked from last year's draft were Rogers to Milwaukee, Home Bailey to the Reds, Neil Walker to the Pirates, and Chris Lambert to the Cards. I think Stephen Drew will end up at 2nd base. I don't like the Rice Pitchers that much, I think they were overrated. Teams that I think reached were Kansas City, Philadelphia, and especially San Diego with Matt Bush. I liked Oakland's Moneyball approach and liked the Landon Powell and Huston Street picks.

I would've taken Street over Matthew Fox.

The interesting thing was how we inked guys quickly who were considered risky signings like Swarzak in the 2nd, Rainville, and especially Kyle Waldrup in the 1st.

Kudos needs to go to our scouts who were the only ones to be told personally that he would sign for first round money.

I personally would much rather pay 6 million to 5 stud prospects than to spend it on a Corey Koskie or Eddie Guardado or slug like Guzman.

[poonani]

Thanks for all the support.

Denard Span has been injured alot.

When healthy he is a very exciting player,

with exceptional speed and a nice line-drive swing

he projects as a leadoff hitter to eventually replace

Hunter in Center if you go the Carl Pohlad/Red McCombs

cheap route with your franchise. Notice I gave him lower hitting ratings

than Deacon Burns, who absolutely raked in rookie ball last year

(not bad for 26th round) and compares to young Kirby (at least heightwise).

Okay im fine with that

Rainville has perhaps the highest ceiling of all the twins prospects.

He didn't give up a run his senior year, and threw 2 no hitters.

His scouting reports says he can reach 96, 93 even into the late innings,

his large frame projects to a Curt Shilling/roger clemens type if he can straighten out his mechanics to keep the wear off his arm. With a big curve, and and circle

change he has the tools to dominate, especially if mechanics guru Rick Anderson

can tighten the rotation on his breaking pitches and maybe radke and Santana can share the mysteries of their changeups. He's the same guy who helped Latroy Hawkins add 2 MPH to his fastball and keep it down.

Here are the only "Super" rated starters

Roger Clemens

Randy Johnson

Greg Maddux

Pedro Martinez

Mark Mulder

Mike Mussina

Roy Oswalt

Mark Prior

Johan Santana

Curt Schilling

Jason Schmidt

John Smoltz

Kerry Wood.

I'm definitely not comfortable putting him in that kind of group yet. Hell, even Adam Miller and Felix Hernandez are 4's in the game. Putting Rainville at 5 is a realllllllll stretch.

I read some reports that there was too much labor in his delivery, which may have been why he fell so far in the draft, while other reports say he had a smooth and easy delivery. I was hoping we could grab him at 20, and was shocked we got him at 39, as he was projected by most as top 20. The Yankees may kick themselves for passing on him twice.

I'm glad they took Poterson. Raw power flies off the board, and they had no one like him in their system. He had a bad first half in the GCL but started to tear it up near the end of the season. I think he's gonna be sick

If you have to give a player in the Yankee system a 5 rating it would probably

be hughes.

Garcia only has played one year of baseball, a 4 rating may even be a tad kind for the 3rd rounder.

Once again, i think Hughes is more of a 4, but i'd say Garcia deserves a 3 or a 4 based on first hand accounts of how hes progressed since draft day. The reason he lasted to the 3rd round is because he was a converted catcher and had only been pitching since that Spring. He already had a major league ready 12-6 curve and throws 95-96 with room to fill out. Hes going to be nasty, and makes passing Rainville alot easier.

I love how the work youve done though (and how you actually have knowledge of the minors). Do you have AIM or MSN (maybe you know more about some of the Yankees minors than i do haha)

[Twins879105]

I'm glad to hear from someone who can see their team fairly realistically.

There are some Yankee fans here floating rosters giving average prospects

5 star power.

The Yankee system was pretty well dried up until last year,

I think they had a very good draft.

It's nice to mention guys throwing hard and having wicked stuff,

but control is the most undervalued attribute of young pitchers,

and the key factor in how fast they progress.

The Twins learned it the hard way drafting Ryan Mills and Adam Johnson,

two guys with dynamite stuff who never learned to keep the ball down and now are out of the organization. All 3 guys we drafted high last year have top-notch control.

It must be exciting to get to see your team's top prospects first hand,

and equally frustrating to see them trade them away every year

for veterans.

I don't instant message. And my circle of expertise lies mostly within

my hometown teams. But I love researching potential draft picks and making mock drafts for football and basketball too.

I say give garcia 4 stars, but set his control ratings very low.

I think EA gave 5 stars to more of their generated players than to real top 100 prospects. I may lower Rainville's ratings slightly to compensate for his 5-star questionablility.

I'm planning on starting my 4th year dynasty with a Santana-Rainville-Perkins-Waldrup rotation and would like to have 2 Aces.

Also note that many of those 5-star pitchers you listed will retire in the next 3 years, and will need to be replaced.

I like poterson's potential but I think he projects as more of a Todd Hundley than a Joe Mauer.

I also think EA overdoes it on the cold zones, and their stamina ratings are way messed up just like last year.

The rookie and progress .big's will get a major overhaul from me this year.

Last year I made them so you could tell a player's star power during the draft by looking at his fielding ratings, and during free agency by how many years he asks for. I'm wondering if that interests anyone?

5=80, 4=70-75, 3=60-65, 2=55-60, 1=40-50

I know it's kind of cheating, but it makes up for the lousy scouting reports.

[Twins879105]

Version 2.0 uploaded with Career Stats For All.

[poonani]

I'm glad to hear from someone who can see their team fairly realistically.

There are some Yankee fans here floating rosters giving average prospects

5 star power.

The Yankee system was pretty well dried up until last year,

I think they had a very good draft.

It's nice to mention guys throwing hard and having wicked stuff,

but control is the most undervalued attribute of young pitchers,

and the key factor in how fast they progress.

The Twins learned it the hard way drafting Ryan Mills and Adam Johnson,

two guys with dynamite stuff who never learned to keep the ball down and now are out of the organization. All 3 guys we drafted high last year have top-notch control.

I will agree and disagree, i think alot more attention should be given to walk numbers as pitchers progress through the minors, but if they do not have a deep enough repretoire and cant strike guys they are up sh its creek without a paddle. Rainville has a power arm with a great fastball but from what i know his curve and change are only average pitchs thus far. Of course hes only 19 and that can change, but the BA chat i read after the Twins top 10 came out suggested that Rainville may end up as a power arm in the pen. Again im going to strongly disagree with the idea of you giving him a Super rating unless the way you rated him otherwise doesnt make him become Roger Clemens

I say give garcia 4 stars, but set his control ratings very low.

I think EA gave 5 stars to more of their generated players than to real top 100 prospects. I may lower Rainville's ratings slightly to compensate for his 5-star questionablility.

I will agree with this. Chris has potential for several plusplus pitches but its just too early to not give him low control ratings

I like poterson's potential but I think he projects as more of a Todd Hundley than a Joe Mauer.

I think thats a little unfair considering how little you probably know about him. I will admit that his adjustment to using a wooden bat definitely hurt his #s in the GCL last year (although he was slapping the ball around over the last couple of weeks and in the playoffs), but that kid probably had the most power potential on the whole draft board last year. I think its really unfair to compare him to a piece of garbage like Hundley, and in addition hes moving to the OF.

I also think EA overdoes it on the cold zones, and their stamina ratings are way messed up just like last year.

The rookie and progress .big's will get a major overhaul from me this year.

What have you discovered about the rookie and progress bigs so far? Most of the files ive looked at are completely different from last year.

Last year I made them so you could tell a player's star power during the draft by looking at his fielding ratings, and during free agency by how many years he asks for. I'm wondering if that interests anyone?

5=80, 4=70-75, 3=60-65, 2=55-60, 1=40-50

I know it's kind of cheating, but it makes up for the lousy scouting reports.

Yeah but then the fielding ratings wouldnt be necessarily right haha

[Gamingboy]

Version 2.0 uploaded with Career Stats For All.

DARNIT! RIGHT AFTER I FINISHED DOING JUST THAT!

It's harder then it looks, because Mike Ryan (who, may I add, was barely over the Mendoza line in AAA last year) is listed in Lahman's as MICHAEL RYAN.

[MauerPower]

How do I load these using MVPEdit?

Thanks...

[Gamingboy]

Okay, I find one error.

It causes there to be 2 Joe Nathans, but I can fix that too.

[Twins879105]

Fielding ratings would only affect players generated for the draft. If the progression system for fielding is good then it wouldn't be a huge sacrifice.

The progression system was completely overhauled this year. Last year it consisted of random numbers within a min/max field using a shaky EA algorithm

within the MVP.exe.

This year progression is beased on a percentage system in relation to age and star power. You can set an increase/decrease/same percentage, as well as a percentage increase/decrease of 1-5, 6-10 and 11-15. Much fairer and less random but can lead to more maxed players. Still relies on an EA algorithm held in the MVP.EXE, but it is much fairer. My only complaint with the change is you can't set the progression of individual pitches or things like baserunning and fielding, everything depends on the algorithm within the exe.

The rookie system is largely the same. I don't like the way they cut back majorly on the number of 4 star players in the draft, I like to have 4 star players last at least until the end of the 1st round. Last year the number of 5 star players depended on the number and position of those who retired during the offseason. I don't know if this is still the case. Sadly this is not something you can change real well within the rookie.big. You can, however add more 3 star players. My ideal would be 6-8 5 star players, 18-20 4 star players, and 40-50 3 star players.

Also they are way off on the Number and quality of pitchers this year. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next patch.

To load these in MVP Edit (make sure you are using the latest version),

unzip the files, go to Import>Team in the File menu, click on the team you want to import, and select replace. Do this for all 4 teams and you are set.

Gamingboy, where does the other Joe Nathan show up and how can I fix it?

I may need to reduce Mike Ryan's contact numbers and make him 2 stars.

I left him at about EA's default. Half a season of raking for him a few years back

doesn't justify his huge dropoff recently.

As for Poterson, .202 with 7 homers and 60 strikeouts in 198 at bats is less than impressive, even if rookie ball is slanted slightly to the pitchers. Plouffe at least managed .283 with similiar power numbers, more walks, and only 34 strikeouts in slightly more at-bats. When speaking of Todd Hundley, don't forget he did hit 40 homers once, but the high strikeout rate and all-or-nothing power stroke are very similiar to Poterson, sabermetrically speaking.

Also I think Neil Walker of Pittsburgh probably has better power and contact potential. But with the dearth of catching in the draft I think the Yankees did good to get him.

I lowered Rainville's ratings so he is well under Perkins now.

I have a rookie/progress mod completed, but after testing it it needs more work.

Maybe sometime next week.

EA's contract structure is the opposite of what I prefer, with better players asking for shorter contracts. I like to lock up my 5 star rookies for 5-6 years.

FWWTK, I based Mauer's and the rookie's salaries on their signing bonuses paid out over the length of their contracts plus the minimum salary.

[poonani]

okay i take back what i said (since i finally played them in game and not just look at mvpedit), you realllly reallllly overrated the lower level teams (AA and A). The twins have a highly rated organization but it is very top heavy atm, and having the AA and A teams rated #1 in hitting, pitching, and fielding is just ridiculous. Deacon Burns who hit 300 as a 21 year old in the rookie league (a 26 round pick), and hes got hitting attributes that are good enough to be a backup in the majors or even start on a bad team. You really need to tweak these down severely

[Twins879105]

Maybe about 5 pts, according to EA's ratings system. I think EA Underrates the players.

Watch other people's rosters come out and the Twins get sandwiched back into the middle of the Pack. BTW the twins should be top 5 at all 3 levels.

Burns is a college player and right now has a better bat than all the high schoolers.

He also made a flawless adjustment to the wood bat.