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Can you tell us what roster you are using and a player that has this problem? I would like to check it out, never heard of this problem.

Qbrick, this is serious business! I thank you so much! I am not at home right now. But when I come home I will definately try it out. Will cost some time, since it can not be read out with fangraphs but has to be put in via baseball-reference, nevertheless it looks good. I quickly scanned some fielding ratings for Giants players and I think for fielding range I will simply put a certain base number for every position, e.g. 65 for a regular first baseman, 75 for a regular 2nd baseman, 80 for a regular center fielder, etc. and depending on the difference between the RF/9 and the lgRF/9 I will rate the player's range up or down. When I calculate some ratings mental they seem to represent the reality really well. The Giants are my bread and butter, so this is quite safe to say. ;)

Okay here come the pitcher ratings for the Giants: S. Romo 90 OVR, 86 Control, 36 Stamina, 90 Composure, 91 ConR, 87 ConL, 85 PowR, 81 PowL M. Cain 90 OVR, 85 Control, 99 Stamina, 82 Composure, 91 ConR, 87 ConL, 86 PowR, 82 PowL M. Bumgarner 88 OVR, 96 Stamina 81 Control, 80 ConR, 86 ConL, 80 PowR, 86 PowL R. Vogelsong 87 OVR, 79 Control, 94 Stamina 87 Composure, 86 ConR, 85 ConL, 83 PowR, 82 PowL S. Casilla 85 OVR, 73 Control, 43 Stamina, 85 Composure, 89 ConR, 79 ConL, 84 PowR, 74 PowL T. Lincecum 85 OVR, 76 Control, 92 Stamina, 78 Composure, 82 ConR, 82 ConL, 83 PowR, 83 PowL J. Affeldt 80 OVR, 76 Control, 43 Stamina, 78 Composure, 73 ConR, 81 ConL, 81 PowR, 89 PowL J. Mijares 79 OVR, 77 Control, 35 Stamina, 68 ConR, 78 ConL, 73 PowR, 83 PowL B. Zito 79 OVR, 71 Control, 85 Stamina, 77 Composure, 76 ConR, 80 ConL, 70 PowR, 74 PowL J. Lopez 77 OVR, 73 Control, 30 Stamina, 81 Composure, 68 ConR, 80 ConL, 84 PowR, 96 PowL G. Kontos 77 OVR, 66 Control, 50 Stamina, 73 Composure, 79 ConR, 74 ConL, 79 PowR, 74 PowL G. Mota 75 OVR, 65 Control, 57 Stamina, 69 Composure, 72 ConR, 67 ConL, 75 PowR, 70 PowL Dodgers pitchers: C. Kershaw 92 OVR, 89 Control, 99 Stamina, 85 Composure, 93 ConR, 98 ConL, 81 PowR, 86 PowL K. Jansen 90 OVR, 88 Control, 46 Stamina, 84 Composure, 91 ConR, 87 ConL, 86 PowR, 81 PowL R. Belisario 85 OVR, 78 Control, 46 Stamina, 77 Composure, 90 ConR, 80 ConL, 83 PowR, 73 PowL J. Beckett 84 OVR, 73 Control, 90 Stamina, 79 Composure, 82 ConR, 78 ConL, 77 PowR, 73 PowL C. Capuano 82 OVR, 73 Control, 87 Stamina, 81 Composure, 74 ConR, 79 ConL, 71 PowR, 76 PowL B. League 82 OVR, 80 Control, 44 Stamina, 72 Composure, 78 ConR, 73 ConL, 85 PowR, 80 PowL S. Elbert 80 OVR, 70 Control, 39 Stamina, 88 Composure, 82 ConR, 83 ConL, 82 PowR, 83 PowL A. Harang 80 OVR, 68 Control, 85 Stamina, 81 Composure, 75 ConR, 75 ConL, 80 PowR, 80 PowL R. Choate 79 OVR, 81 Control, 34 Stamina, 76 Composure, 75 ConR, 90 ConL, 69 PowR, 84 PowL J. Wright 79 OVR, 70 Control, 49 Stamina, 74 Composure, 75 ConR, 75 ConL, 78 PowR, 78 PowL J. Blanton 77 OVR, 62 Control, 89 Stamina, 71 Composure, 63 ConR, 63 ConL, 73 PowR, 73 PowL S. Tolleson 71 OVR, 64 Control, 46 Stamina, 72 Composure, 75 ConR, 60 ConL, 75 PowR, 60 PowL Some Rockies pitchers: R. Betancourt 86 OVR, 82 Control, 40 Stamina, 80 Composure, 90 ConR, 80 ConL, 80 PowR, 70 PowL M. Belisle 82 OVR, 78 Control, 47 Stamina, 76 Composure, 70 ConR, 69 ConL, 87 PowR, 86 PowL J. Roenicke 78 OVR, 68 Control, 59 Stamina, 75 Composure, 82 ConR, 79 ConL, 87 PowR, 84 PowL D. Pomeranz 78 OVR, 72 Control, 76 Stamina, 73 Composure, 64 ConR, 84 ConL, 64 PowL, 84 PowL J. Francis 77 OVR, 70 Control, 80 Stamina, 76 Composure, 60 ConR, 66 ConL, 71 PowR, 77 PowL M. Reynolds 77 OVR, 66 Control, 36 Stamina, 82 Composure, 78 ConR, 79 ConL, 68 PowR, 69 PowL J. Chacin 77 OVR, 63 Control, 89 Stamina, 84 Composure, 81 ConR, 73 ConL, 77 PowR, 69 PowL R. Brothers 76 OVR, 69 Control, 40 Stamina, 77 Composure, 69 ConR, 81 ConL, 72 PowR, 84 PowL C. Torres 73 OVR, 63 Control, 60 Stamina, 69 Composure, 63 ConR, 63 ConL, 77 PowR, 77 PowL T. Chatwood 73 OVR, 56 Control, 75 Stamina, 75 Composure, 65 ConR, 59 ConL, 79 PowR, 73 PowL A. White 69 OVR, 52 Control, 73 Stamina, 77 Composure, 65 ConR, 63 ConL, 66 PowR, 64 PowL W. Harris 68 OVR, 56 Control, 49 Stamina, 69 Composure, 63 ConR, 61 ConL, 71 PowR, 69 PowL Regarding the OVR I feel quite fine. If you have any comments, opinions, whatever on the posted ratings, let me know it. Perhaps I can tweak some formulas for better results.

The only real problems left are the following: - aggression for baserunning - fielding range - fielding ability at a certain position and - pitch ratings Aggression, fielding range, fielding ability can somehow be read off from the stats, but pitch ratings are very difficult to come up with. 1) The game eninge seems to use some formulas for rating the pitches. Every pitch is rated by a formula using movement, control and speed. But that does not mean that for every pitch it is the same formula. That is okay compared to reality since in real life movement matters more for some pitches than it does for others. 2) I thought of using the max speed -1 the guys over fangraphs have listed it for the speed rating of the pitches ingame. When I do this I have to adjust the control and movement analog (more or less manual) that the pitch rating fits the pitch value/100 stat of fangraphs. When I do this the OVR are affected because OVR is influenced by control, which I have to use for rating the pitches. It is really difficult to come up with 100% pitcher's ratings, but I will do my best. When I have finished the first Giants pitchers I will post them here.

As far as I know there isn't really a difference. I would always go PC version when talking about 2k12.

Note: since I weighed in the performances of 2010 and 2011, it maybe that you think "this guy is rated too high" or "this guy is rated too low". Examples would be Ramon Hernandez or Aubrey Huff. Also, when a rookie like Josh Rutledge has not many ABs until now but has elite performance, I feel free to put his numbers down by 10. That leaves him still a respectable player, but not an elite one which he sure isn't by now. Here are some Rockies: C. Gonzalez 95 OVR, 86 ConR, 81 ConL, 83 PowR, 78 PowL, 90 Speed D. Fowler 88 OVR, 74 ConR, 79 ConL, 66 PowR, 71 PowL, 92 Speed T. Colvin 79 OVR, 65 ConR, 60 ConL, 82 PowR, 77 PowL, 73 Speed R. Hernandez 78 OVR, 70 ConR, 71 ConL, 63 PowR, 64 PowL, 60 Speed J. Rutledge 78 OVR, 68 ConR, 73 ConL, 64 PowR, 69 PowL, 82 Speed C. Nelson 77 OVR, 68 ConR, 73 ConL, 57 PowR, 62 PowL, 79 Speed J. Herrera, 75 OVR, 69 ConR, 65 ConL, 48 PowR, 43 PowL, 78 Speed J. Pacheco 74 OVR, 68 ConR, 83 ConL, 39 PowR, 54 PowL, 72 Speed D. LeMahieu 74 OVR, 66 ConR, 71 ConL, 48 PowR, 53 PowL, 72 Speed W. Rosario 72 OVR, 62 ConR, 50 ConL, 88 PowR, 76 PowL, 65 Speed C. Blackmon 71 OVR, 68 ConR, 63 ConL, 48 PowR, 43 PowL, 81 Speed A. Brown 67 OVR, 56 ConR, 61 ConL, 59 PowR, 64 PowL, 70 Speed

Thx for this hint. I will definately give it a try. First I want to say thank you. And I agree with you that 99 is a number that should not be awarded on a regular basis. I think things like the one with Jay/Beltran could only be done if we had a rating for things like that. They have brought in a "clutch rating" at least, but that does not go far enough. In my opinion you are absolutely right. Perhaps something like "temper" or "attitude" with different options could be a thing that would make sense regarding your topic. But you have problems to rate this adequately. And since 2k12 seems to be the last baseball game by 2k anyway, it can be discussed but it won't be heard. :(

I started to create some formulas and calculated the new hitting ratings. I started with the Giants. I used the customize function (thx for the hint) of fangraphs. I used the season stats of 2010 and 2011 and the updated ZIPS-projections for 2012 and weighed the seasons differently. Here is what came out for the most important Giants hitters: B. Posey 91 OVR, 85 ConR, 90 ConL, 70 PowR, 75 PowL, 72 Speed M. Cabrera 86 OVR, 85 ConR, 80 ConL, 63 PowR, 58 PowL, 73 Speed P. Sandoval 86 OVR, 82 ConR, 78 ConL, 76 PowR, 71 PowL, 67 Speed H. Pence 86 OVR, 78 ConR, 79 ConL, 70 PowR, 71 PowL, 82 Speed A. Pagan 86 OVR, 79 ConR, 75 ConL, 61 PowR, 57 PowL, 89 Speed B. Belt 81 OVR, 72 ConR, 68 ConL, 67 PowR, 63 PowL, 75 Speed M. Scutaro 80 OVR, 80 ConR, 76 ConL, 46 PowR, 45 PowL, 72 Speed G. Blanco 77 OVR, 68 ConR, 61 ConL, 53 PowR, 46 PowL, 85 Speed J. Arias 75 OVR, 65 ConR, 75 ConL, 45 PowR, 55 PowL, 80 Speed B. Crawford 75 OVR, 64 ConR, 59 ConL, 54 PowR, 49 PowL, 82 Speed A. Huff 74 OVR, 61 ConR, 63 ConL, 62 PowR, 64 PowL, 65 Speed H. Sanchez 73 OVR, 73 ConR, 68 ConL, 52 PowR, 47 PowL, 55 Speed R. Theriot 73 OVR, 69 ConR, 75 ConL, 37 PowR, 43 PowL, 70 Speed B. Pill 71 OVR, 59 ConR, 65 ConL, 60 PowR, 66 PowL, 68 Speed C. Gillaspie 68 OVR, 65 ConR, 55 ConL, 61 PowR, 51 PowL, 64 Speed E. Burriss 66 OVR, 57 ConR, 59 ConL, 32 PowR, 34 PowL, 88 Speed F. Peguero 66 OVR, 50 ConR, 60 ConL, 35 PowR, 45 PowL, 85 Speed J. Christian 65 OVR, 45 ConR, 55 ConL, 39 PowR, 49 PowL, 90 Speed E. Whiteside 63 OVR, 50 ConR, 53 ConL, 51 PowR, 54 PowL, 67 Speed I think those numbers are quite solid. Funny thing that four players are rated 86 overall. I worked on all hitting and fielding relevant data for the players noted above (+ the pitchers but their hitting is quite irrelevant). I really would like to show you more but forgive me - this would be too much data to write down. And note: this is not biased or anything. This is all calculated data. EDIT Some Dodgers guys: M. Kemp 93 OVR, 80 ConR, 92 ConL, 79 PowR, 91 ConL, 90 Speed A. Gonzalez 90 OVR, 87 ConR, 83 ConL, 74 PowR, 70 PowL, 59 Speed A. Ethier 85 OVR, 85 ConR, 70 ConL, 75 PowR, 60 PowL, 71 Speed S. Victorino 83 OVR, 67 ConR, 74 ConL, 61 PowR, 68 PowL, 93 Speed H. Ramirez 83 OVR, 71 ConR, 73 ConL, 70 PowR, 72 PowL, 85 Speed M. Ellis 79 OVR, 69 ConR, 74 ConL, 49 PowR, 54 PowL, 76 Speed A.J. Ellis 79 OVR, 70 ConR, 76 ConL, 51 PowR, 57 PowL, 68 Speed L. Cruz 77 OVR, 74 ConR, 72 ConL, 60 PowR, 58 PowL, 73 Speed N. Punto 76 OVR, 61 ConR, 64 ConL, 48 PowR, 51 PowL, 77 Speed J. Rivera 73 OVR, 64 ConR, 69 ConL, 56 PowR, 61 PowL, 64 Speed A. Kennedy 73 OVR, 69 ConR, 61 ConL, 53 PowR, 49 PowL, 67 Speed J. Uribe 70 OVR, 57 ConR, 56 ConL, 56 PowR, 55 PowL, 71 Speed M. Treanor 67 OVR, 53 ConL, 51 ConL, 53 PowR, 51 PowL, 66 Speed

Thanks for the input guys. Has anybody an idea how I could separate the bunt rating from the drag bunt rating? On fangraphs.com you can see how many infield hits and sacrifice bunts (I think success of them, too) but I have no clue how to separate the two bunt variations.

Yes I already thought of it, but what is good, what is mediocre, what is bad? ^^ Edit: I found out that fangraphs.com restructured their Pitch/FX data, now it is quite easy to see if a pitch has good or bad movement.

Hi guys. I am planning on a massive roster project that focusses on "real" ratings. Since 2k12 seems to be the last game of the series my roster is also meant for future purposes. I want to work on nearly all ratings - as far as possible, to create the greatest piece of realism one could get. I want to use the real numbers, real statistics, real life performance so that reality is represented in the ratings. But I have trouble finding adequate numbers/stats/formulars for some ingame ratings. Also I am undecided if I should only use last seasons (I mean 2012, since I do not expect to finish the roster before the end of the regular season) or a formula where I way 2012 three times, 2011 two times, 2010 one time end divide the sum by 6. Here is what I already got. I thought of using fangraphs.com, since it offers a bunch of statistics. At the left you see the relevant Fangraphs statistic name, at the right the ingame ratings name. If a player has a certain statistical number (e.g. someone has a clutch rating of 2.50) the player's ingame rating would be 99. You get it, right? I have not decided how I will work down from the highest to the lower ratings ingame, so I only used the highest numbers possible first. When I use the term "fan" I mean the Fangraphs.com Fan Scouting Report numbers, which seem pretty accurate to me. Everywhere you see the question marks I have no idea what statistics, formulas, whatever, I could use for the certain ratings. Here YOU come into play. If you have any idea, let me know it. Every hint is very appreciated. Here are two screenshots. The first one is for the position players, the second one for pitchers. Thanks for your help guys!

no problem, sir! I think monday or tuesday I will do it. I have no time over the weekend, but you are right, Zito looks horrible in the game.

File Name: Ben Revere Cyberface File Submitter: wudl83 File Submitted: 30 Aug 2012 File Category: Faces BEN REVERE CYBERFACE ====================== 1. Unzip the player_head_0229.iff into your MLB 2k12 main directory. 2. Open your roster with Ty's 2012 editor and change Ben Revere's face number to 0229 and his skin tone to 9. 3. Open the game, load the roster, enjoy. ==================== Wudl83 @ mvpmods.com Click here to download this file

I was thinking about making a new face for Zito for a few weeks now since I mostly play with the Giants, perhaps I find time next week.

File Name: Omar Infante Cyberface File Submitter: wudl83 File Submitted: 27 Aug 2012 File Category: Faces OMAR INFANTE CYBERFACE 1. Unzip the player_head_1679.iff into your MLB 2k12 main directory. 2. Open your roster with Ty's 2012 editor and change Omar Infante's face number to 1679 and his skin tone to 9. 3. Open the game, load the roster, enjoy. © Wudl83 @ mvpmods.com Click here to download this file

Are you even able to read what I said? I will stop talking to you here cause you're simply biased as one can be and not me. I said: "Of course King Felix could have a higher OVR than 89, but you make a perfect example for the topic I talked about earlier." So where is your problem? Ah I know...you can't recognize that although he pitched very well in the past he has a career year anyway.So I will stop talking to you now, you simply DO NOT WANT to read what I wrote. Go into the game or use the editor, drive his OVR up and do not waste the time of other people.

Nope, King Felix hasn't been pitching like this for years. No Idea how one can come to this opinion. This can be simply broken down to the stats. Of course he is a CY-Young candidate, but you also have to remember that in MLB 2k12 the OVR does not always tell how well you can do with a player in the game. E.g. there are some defensive studs which have a low OVR, that would play in real life, but don't get recognized from the AI in MLB 2k12 because they have no good offensive ratings, which means that he won't get a good OVR. On the other side there is the average to good offensive guy, which is a desaster on the defensive end. MLB 2k12 will give this guy a better OVR than the first mentioned defensive guy. And while in the reality the defensive guy could play and the offensive guy could sit, in MLB 2k12 the offensive guy will be played by the AI in 9 out of 10 cases. Regarding pitchers you got to know that OVR is not everything, too. OVR is highly influenced by stamina and composure. TO test it out simply play a little bit around with it. Regarding King Felix: he currently has a career high in K/9, a career low B/9, a career low HR/9, a career high LOB pct, a career low HR/FB and a career low FIP. How can you say he has pitched like this for years? He is having a career year my friend, do not always look only at the ERA. Of course King Felix could have a higher OVR than 89, but you make a perfect example for the topic I talked about earlier. There are more problems with ratings. How do you weigh in the performances from years ago? Should they preponderate, should they not? We are not at the end of a season. What do you do with players that are in a slump, what do you do with players that are on a hot streak? Likely the slumping player will be back to his normal performances some time in the future. Likely will the guy who has a hot streak come down to earth some time in the future. Do you care about that, do you not care? I agree with the assumption that some players are really off in 2k's rosters and that should be fixed. But often we talk about 3 OVR points here and 4 OVR points there. Does that really matter that much? Did you change Scott "Posednik" to his real name "PoDsednik", too? Found this yesterday or the day before yesterday, but forgot to mention it.

In my opinion the only way to follow transactions at a proper rate is to look at the official mlb.com homepage and the minor league transaction homepage I posted and NOT care about players that get called up, get sent down, are designated for assignment, put on the DL, etc. One simply should look for the terms "signed", "traded", "released", etc. So you do not have to look for transactions every day, perhaps every 2-3 weeks would be enough. Otherwise there would be so much work coming to you, BSU-Fan, that it could not be handled. Bad for those who like to play "play now" games, but best option for franchise players, since when starting a franchise you won't have a problem with players that are assigned to the wrong minor league affiliate or aren't on the MLB team when they should be. Because in franchise the AI puts those players on the respective teams/affiliates like it wants to anyway.

One player who is a free agent since a couple of weeks at least is Jorge Cantu, who you in the Salt Lake Bees (AAA of LA Angels). But you are right. Sometimes you only find out if a player is an FA when you google directly for their name or something like. Seems that there arent't too much websites that cover all transactions. Perhaps you get help from here: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/category/transactions/

I do not know if BSU-Fan based the new ratings on the current 2k ratings or he edited them based on his own opinion. If he used 2k's numbers and put them into his file then blame 2k. Ugly ratings are their business. If he did it based on his own opinion then the problem is that different persons have different views on the same thing. You never will find a common base for ratings. I discussed this multiple times with different guys, won't be possible. Just a thought, no offense!

yes he has. marte was already in the last update.

this is serious business. :good: